Unsatisfied with how Bethesda uncanonly "throwed" BO : Fallout 3

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:31 am

When it comes to the Enclave and Vault experiments the info on Wiki you will find it mostly comes from the Fallout Bible. So was Chris Avellone wrong when he wrote and published the Fallout Bible or was he wrong whenever it was you got that quote from?

I got the quote from the bible. I don t look at wiki except for what happened in games I didn t play. I look at the fo bible its self for out of game story info.

Wiki is all [censored] up because too many people can get their hands in the out of game story in wiki

FO bible is a piece of info that can not be changed. Avellone says himself holes are left so they do not back themselves into a corner.

I wish he could finish it up to date. People ask him about stuff in fo tactics he says he ll ask those devs. He is way more fo expert than wiki, because he thinks like a writer when he answers all those questions. He can t give you all the info, because he might been in on the next one.

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:12 am

I agree that the wiki is not a soucres of reliable information. Its just a place for all things Fallout, canon or not and people can change some things.

The Fallout Bible is semi-canon.. Chris Avellone said it sould not be considered canon unless the info was confirmed by a Fallout game. I wish he could be allowed to update it.

Bethesda I believe said they consider it canon. Still if the bible goes against the games themselves it should not be considered canon.

Writers leave holes as to not get backed into a corner but Bethesda leaves canyons in their writing.

Fallout can be very confusing :bonk:

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:44 am

OK Mr. Enclave this quote is from Chis Avellone. He worked on fo2 big time as you know and here is what he say

"..... even members of Enclave probably could not answer the question of who created the vault experiments and their reasons, as many of the people responsible for the creation of the vaults died long ago, and many records were lost in the great static of 2077.
President Richardson was familiar with the porpose of the vaults, but he never saw them as more than little test tubes of preserved humans he could mess with."

So no one knows jack [censored] about the full vault project. 100% So they can do what ever they what in them. I don t think half 75% of the people on this board even know what canon means.

Avellone in his bible also says he ll leave things unanswered on purpose so they don t back themselves in a corner. "writers leave holes" I told you that long ago.

He says there are "rumored" to be 122 vaults.............. So there may be more. This is how fictional writers work. I

That is a developer quote, when compared with the fact that the Enclave had a channel called ENCLAVE Vault Research Control I think renders it null and void. You can't just throw quotes and evidence around and expect me to falter, please tell me how this quote explains the Vault Research Control and maybe I'll consider it.

And the Bible is non-canon, we told you that long ago. In fact I'm done argueing with you, the fact that you didn't even sit down and think about whether this quote invalidates anything I've said just makes you come off rude. "This quote justifies me!" Except I have proved it wrong with in-game evidence. ENCLAVE Vault Research Control.

You know what else fiction writers do? Come up with new [censored] ideas instead of just rehashing and leaving everything open (that's called a bad writer); I thought you wanted definite answers for game endings otherwise there is no point in speculation?

» Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:43 pm

My favorite option for the Enclave would be to have the Chicago Enclave decide that with the loss of its existing population, that they'd start recruiting from the Vaults and start rebuilding the United States in Chicago. There's now a big tension between the Old School Enclave (who were hesitant enough to recruit from "stupid social experiment fodder") and the reformers who want to create a new Enclave that will be effectively the Pre-War United States in all its former glory.

The quest would be to help one of these two factions achieve dominance over the other.

» Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:39 pm

who cares i loved fallout three and everything about it

» Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:07 pm

My favorite option for the Enclave would be to have the Chicago Enclave decide that with the loss of its existing population, that they'd start recruiting from the Vaults and start rebuilding the United States in Chicago. There's now a big tension between the Old School Enclave (who were hesitant enough to recruit from "stupid social experiment fodder") and the reformers who want to create a new Enclave that will be effectively the Pre-War United States in all its former glory.

The quest would be to help one of these two factions achieve dominance over the other.

What vaults? I am really pissed at Bethesda for having Vault 101 and giving people the stupid idea that alot of vaults out there are still closed.

The Vaults would have all opened by now. They were only meant to stay closed for a few decades at most. Vault 13 was to stay closed for 200 years, Fallout 1 and 2 gave the impression that every other Vault was long since opened. Vault 101 was a copy of Vault 101 in everyway but it was to stay closed forever not just 200 years. There arn't any other vaults out here still closed. They all long ago opened. Making the people within not pure.

» Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:56 am

How does one [censored] developer throw his dice against the wall and throw BOS all over america at the same time and ruin the fallout series? And I'm just posting this to get you're opinions, what do you think of the BOS throwing? canon or not?

Personally I think Fallout 3 greatly enhanced Fallout sequels, there's no reason that BOS could not relocate anyway, and canon is such a loose term "general principal by which something is judged" ... the wasteland scenario I see as being canon, and the type of content and game-play, I don't see locations as being set in stone. Fallout 4 will likely shift everything about again, it doesn't really worry me. As long as it's a close similarity type of scenario and similar type of game-play contents that we have now.

» Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:00 pm

I can t remember if it mentions all that until they show up.

Before they show up I don t think it mentions specifics

Again I retired from fo3 long ago. I can t remember everything.

Start a game come out of the vault turn the Enclave channel on and I bet he s talking baseball and apple pie, not bos or outcast until they show up.

On my very first playthrough, I was extremely curious about any ingame lore. So, when I entered Springvale, I listened intently to the Eyebot's broadcast. I got treated almost immediately with the "current state of things in the DC Wasteland" speech (i.e. "Brotherhood in the Pentagon", Raiders, Supermutants, Outcasts - this gave me a nice strange first impression on the BoS, by the way. "Ruffians with antiquated technology".)

Must've been his very first broadcast message, straight after the Blackadder theme.

I sure as hell hadn't encountered any Brotherhood at that point, given that I just had hit level 2 and left the vault for 5 minutes.

» Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:32 pm

I just don't get how four games that are mere snapshots of short periods of time on small locations are supposed to definitively define a fictional history. If there's discrepancies between games it's because not everyone everywhere knows everything and people tell the history they want other people to believe, so just because this or that character say something happened doesn't mean it's true.

It's like that in real life, archaeologists are rewriting history all the time.

Unsatisfied with how Bethesda uncanonly &#34;throwed&#34; BO

Unsatisfied with how Bethesda uncanonly "throwed" BO