I hate the new fallout fans.

In broken steel they had to basically screw enclave supporters up the anus and chose bos pissing of enclave fans .
So Mr.Fantastic how do you solve that?

If theres vista every where then they lose there magic it's treakin' through rubble then looking across at the sunset overlapping mountains that makes it beautiful

If it was up to me, id have Interplay back and id be glued to their 3rd installment if it was finished and made by them as we speak. Just because i like the direction Bethesda and Obsidian have taken with the series, dosen't make me "a new fallout fan derp herp"





Thats Bethesda's fault. And has nothing to do with my opinion. lol.... I'm an enclave fan too.

I didn't say every location had to be a vista, my point was that for the most part Bethesda's overworlds are just unremarkable terrain with the occasional vista here and there; they're nothing to write home about, and they certainly don't make up for Bethesda's short comings.

If it was up to me, id have Interplay back and id be glued to their 3rd installment if it was finished and made by them as we speak. Just because i like the direction Bethesda and Obsidian have taken with the series, dosen't make me "a new fallout fan derp herp"





Thats Bethesda's fault. And has nothing to do with my opinion. lol.... I'm an enclave fan too.

No thats the problem you face when you have post MQ free roaming in a story related game.

Bethesda's world building isn't that great. Sure they can produce some nice vistas, but these vistas are few and you have to be prepared to slog through twenty minutes of unremarkable terrain to get there. Then there's their dungeon design which is very mediocre, they tend to recycle the same three tile sets, often even entire rooms/sections umpteen times just to fill the world with inane distractions.

Bethesda's philosophy when it comes to world design is quantity over quality, and that makes them the exact opposite of masterful world builders in my opinion. After I saw the first Dragur ruin, ice cave, fort and Dwemer ruin in Skyrim I saw them all. The only unique dungeon I saw mid-late game was Blackreach, which while nice, isn't enough to make me forget the ridiculous number of unremarkable, repetitive dungeons I had to force myself through to get there.

Both your points are from Bethesdas point of view, not so much what would be better and cooler? More of a technical problem really. How hard it would be to create these impacts especially when their are so many different endings?

Lets say for a second you beat NV and and your specefic ending and all its consequences could be seen in your game letting you wonder the wasteland? And this didn't effect side quests and make some dissapear due to the outcome of the MQ (Remember this topic is about FUTURE fallout games, not what have been done already) Would you say to yourself "I wish it just ended with a few black and white slides with a voice over and i could just reload at a previous save!!!!"

Probably not, unless your that deep into your opinion and argument. I love the endings don't get me wrong, but i'm finding it hard to believe that in future fallouts you wouldn't rather have this sort of ending, especially when its a minor change AND FOR THE BETTER.

Your focusing too much on the problems that the games have now. And not about the what IF's for future titles. Fallout 3 OR NV wouldn't work with post MQ gameplay because they Are FALLOUT 3 AND NEW VEGAS.

Now if Fallout 4 had a brilliant story, and let you experience the consequences and impacts you've made in the MQ without compromising,any story lines or screwing over fans of the BoS or Enclave or anything like that. Would you get mad? Obviously you wouldn't you'd probably enjoy it and be satisfied. I'm not contesting the endings of NV and FALLOUT 3. I'm contesting the future of series which was the whole point of this thread in the first place. I've pretty much had everything to say.

And before you start the whole "HE HAS AN OPINION, HE MUST BE NEW TO FALLOUT!!!!!!!!!!111oneoneone"

I've played Wasteland on my fathers apple as a child, and loved it.

So it hasn't got enough vistas ? Just walking around with the nothern lights above my head is breath taking.

And areyou talking about skyrim mainly?

What I'm saying is that Bethesda's worlds aren't good enough to make up for their shortcomings, shortcomings which Obsidian excel at, and most of which are far more important for an RPG and Fallout game.



Of course not, Skyrim is just their most recent game so I'm using that as the example.

I couldn't give a crap if your wrote the plot for wastland with your nipbles there different series it gives your argument no extra weight.
You talking about a perfect workd and just saying ohh wat evs to the problems.
There is no.way all major factions would get fair treatment unless there is only one ending wichbis almost against what fallout stands for.

1. Now if Fallout 4 had a brilliant story, and let you experience the consequences and impacts you've made in the MQ without compromising,any story lines or screwing over fans of the BoS or Enclave or anything like that. Would you get mad? Obviously you wouldn't you'd probably enjoy it and be satisfied. I'm not contesting the endings of NV and FALLOUT 3. I'm contesting the future of series which was the whole point of this thread in the first place. I've pretty much had everything to say.

And before you start the whole "HE HAS AN OPINION, HE MUST BE NEW TO FALLOUT!!!!!!!!!!111oneoneone"

I've played Wasteland on my fathers apple as a child, and loved it.

FIRST OFF : WASTELAND IS FALLOUT, do your research maybe youll figure out what that means.

Sorry but I don't care I think fallout 3's vista are the backstorys in locations.

Honestly your entitled to your opinion and so am i.

It's not something I care to debate.

Constructive well thought, intelligent reply. And Implicating the different endings is not an impossible technical feat.

FIRST OFF : WASTELAND IS FALLOUT, do your research maybe youll figure out what that means.

Secondly, it wasen't meant to add weight to my argument, it dosen't need any extra weight, it was said in defense of you accusing me of being a new fallout fan which is absurd since we are both discussing fallout on a forum online.

kk BAI

If you do YOUR research you'll know that's it's just a spiritual succsesor, it's like saying BioShock is a sequel to Dead shock2.

If you do YOUR research you'll know that's it's just a spiritual succsesor, it's like saying BioShock is a sequel to Dead shock2.

Tomato Tomato. Your going to assume i don't know what I'm talking about that's fine. BUT I CLEARLY MEANT that without Wasteland ever being made, fallout would have never nevvverrrr been made. Next time look at the context in which i made that statement please before you take a shot at me for sharing an opinion.

dam beat me to it
Is it system shock or deadshock the predecessor to bioshock?

whoopsies, thats embarssing some times I accidently call system shock deadshock

Ohh my it's your fault fallout isn't wastland it's just fallouts inspiration.
Elvis is my inspiration does that make me Elvis?

dam beat me to it
Is it system shock or deadshock the predecessor to bioshock?

No your not elvis. what are you serious? What kind of example is that ahah, just silly and childish especially when you know exactly what Wasteland is to Fallout and its creation. Here i thought we were having a good argument about MQ.

To get this thread back on topic since you've resorted to these sort of responses XD, I'd vote for Obsidian to do the next fallout and its story and for Bethesda to handle the world design and artwork. Best of both DEVS