Sapphirine's entitled to his/her opinion just like everyone else on this board. He hasn't broken the rules by this topic. I don't see what the problem is.

Yeah, everyone else is entitled to their opinion too. I'm just as entitled to say "oh god, again?" as they are to make the four hundred thousandth incarnation of this thread.

If four hundred thousand people make these kinds of threads...Then that's not good news.

Still that's not a confirmation and it does cause quite a bit of confusion. There's a difference between saying "There's a strong possibility that spell making has been cut from the game" and "OMG Spell making has been cut from the game :ahhh:"

I think it is reasonable to expect that spellmaking wont make it into the game, I do believe Todd when he says the team is looking at ways it could be implemented and I doubt they would remove it without good reason.

Fair enough.

There's a strong possibility that spell making has been cut from the game

10. Compass will need to be used since no clear directions will be given in the shallow diologue.

I'm not sure whether to think you're being sarcastic or not :laugh:

I have my worries about the game too (spell making especially). However, things get put in at last moment (ie companions in FO3) and if they say it's not set in stone then there's quite a possibility that it's not set in stone. I have no reason to believe (as much as I don't always agree with what Todd Howard says) that Howard would just say stuff to not piss people off and when he's not dodging questions he seems to shoot straight from the hip.

Neither crossbows or spears were Oblivion, so was this really a surprise? Also, Spears aren't something Nords use, how many Nord NPCs in Morrowind used spears as a weapon? They were mostly using axes.

It makes sense due how the levelling system works. The class in the previous games didn't really matter either, it was just a label with zero gameplay significance. Instead it will be the skills and perks that form the character, as it should be.

It's a wildcard, it might be removed.

I've missed this, sounce?

I have no problem with this, Daggerfall used a system more similiar to perks with it's advantages/disadvantages rather than birthsigns anyway.

It's running on the same console generation, how could you expect anything different?

Not confirmed, the GI article is very vague about this. I'm pretty sure attributes are still there, you just won't choose which ones to increase when you level up, but it's handled automatically depending on what skills you used.

No mouse support hasn't been confirmed, the only thing we know about the PC UI is what Todd Howard said in the GI podcast; "We do a lot of PC interface stuff. There are uniquenesses [sic] to how we handle it on the PC."

As they should. Daggerfall would be a pain to play without fast travel, it's a godsend, and Arena would be impossible to play.

With "series" you mean Morrowind? 1/4th of the series? Cause I get the idea you never played Arena or Daggerfall and you didn't like Oblivion.

No spears, I agree, seems odd. Combat seems to be redone in a nice way but spears offers variety to combat. The way you use a sword and a spear differ greatly.

I LOVE that classes are removed. It was so generic and cliche to say "I use magic BECAUSE I'm a mage." Now, instead, you use magic, you get better with magic, you can call yourself a mage. You become one. Look at yourself and what you're good at, your "skills." Do you have a class? No, and that's sort of what I feel this new system is. Though the class system will understand what you're going for the way you play, and levelling will follow your playstyle. I find nothing wrong with this system.

Crossbows haven't been confirmed to not be in, have they?

Spellmaking isn't confirmed to be removed, either. Wasn't that just the german company getting wrong info or something?

Less spells, but they do more. Instead of just "Fireball" there's "fireball", "fire jet", "fire mine", "flamethrower", etc. Variety to the same elements of magic > more of the same kinds of magic.

Birthsigns svcked. They offered a TINY bit of help until you got to level 6 and never cared any more. They could do cool things, like have every birthsign give you a recognizable attribute that comes with you your whole playthrough, but I prefer perks over the terrible birthsign system they used to have.

I personally think the graphics look great. Really, once you see it in HD, how much more could you ask for?

Agreed on all the other points, especially the compass and fast travel.

Don't give up hope on the series. It's moving forward to a new level and of course, will get watered down from pure RPG to action-RPG, but will still be a ridiculously amazing game. You and I both were hoping they were going to remake Morrowind, but that was a foolish assumption.

I played Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblvion.

Just because you're a mod doesn't give you the power to assume things about me.

Why not start a suggestions thread on spellmaking? I mean, im no pessimist, but i really dont think, spell making, acrobatics, and attributes are gonna be i skyrim. i trust the devs becuase their going to play the game as much as we are.
on spell crafting, i think it should work like this, the stronger you make the spell the more different its animation should be, a fire damage spell on target 5 damage no duration, no AOE, would have you shoot out a little fire ball, that same spell, with +75 AOE, could shoot out that fire ball with some added things. like little fireballs swirling around it, or it shoots fire in random directions as it flys, or maybe it takes the form of some kind of deity, like a dragon, you are the dragon born after all

As time flows closer to the release of Skyrim, Corprus infects us all... We grow madder by the minute, attacking the innocent in fits of rage and madness... Our opinions grow more and more voiced and we become more and more agressive... May the Tribunal help us, for we are doomed...

1. No spears. I wouldnt mind seeing them, but it wont destroy the game. Its not a new direction for the series, after all oblivion didnt have spears
2. Classes removed. Dont see this as an issue. There have never been classes in TES really.
3. No crossbows. Not a big deal to me. The variety would be nice, but historically they have functioned in an identical manner to bows, so this is neither a new direction for the series, nor does it make much of a difference.
4. Spellmaking removed hasnt been confirmed. I'll be disappointed if its not in.
5. Fewer Spells. Are we sure about this? Wasnt there uncertainty as to whether this was the number of spells, or the number of spell effects? This isnt one that worries me. I think there will be enough
6. The branching perk set-up appears to have much more depth than the birthsigns. You dont need to make just one decision right at the start. Why is this bad?
7. Graphics. Hard to tell right now, but you agree that theyve improved? Thats a good thing, right?
8. No more attributes. I'm not sure where I stand on this, in theory its bad, but that levelling system needed a huge overhaul, and if this helps fix that, then it will be a plus for me.
9. UI does have mouse support, and being inspired by Apple is no bad thing. Its generally acknowledged to have the slickest design around.
10. Fast travel has always been a part of the series, and I didnt think that the compass had been confirmed?. I can put up with the compass, but if its not in it needs an alternative.

On the flipside...

1. Better levelling system
2. Random quests
3. Improved faces
4. More unique dungeons
5. Beards. (people were distraught about their absence last time! )
6. Improved conversation system
7. Better archery. No more pincusions walking around
8. Dual Wielding
9. New and Improved crafting system
10. New game engine and improved graphics (and hopefully animation)

I assume things about you, just like how you assume things about Skyrim. It's a natural thing to do, and in both cases there are a lot of black holes from lack of information that are filled with our imagination and speculation. And considering the nature of this topic, it seems like your imagination and speculation is mostly negative.

That's because the millions who like it arn't going to create a just-as-useless thread saying "I like the direction the game is taking" - it's a waste of everyone's time. A more productive use of this would be to either offer constructive feedback, or to reply in the countless other threads already started, rather than cluttering up the forums.

I am offering constructive feedback.

Do the opposite of what I posted in my first post, Bethesda.

sorry, i felt you forgot somthing. :foodndrink:

It took every shred of willpower I possess not to respond with "challenge accepted".

Birthsigns and perks really can't be compared. Apples and Oranges. A Birthsign is what you pick to give yourself a starting advantage. Perks are what you pick to specialize your character as you continually level up.


Plus the compass has always been there, even in Morrowind. Quest markers, though, were added for Oblivion, and there's been no word whether they appear on Skyrim's HUD compass or not, and it hasn't been said whether they're optional or not. Given the better detailed directions NPCs apparently give (sounds like they may even be better than Morrowind's directions in some cases), it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can be toggled off.

oh wow did you seriously copy that list from /v/.

or has it made its way to gamefaqs already idk

i'm upset how many people take a troll thread template as actual fact.

Spears - "not in the traditional sense"
Class's are not required for any reason its just a title/lable.
Crossbows - OK, crossbows could have been in i guess, but i don't like the technology personally.
There are more spell types with additional effects.
There are perks at level up, but not like Fallout. OXM UK stated that the far fetched perk style of Fallout does not feature. The perk system is what moulds and differentiates your character from any other, giving him/her unique abilities such as finishing blows or one hits for certain weapons or lightfoot for stealth types.
Oblivion - Fallout was a vast graphical improvement, so to say Oblivion - Skyrim is slight is rediculous (IMO)
Attributes - not too sure personally about this, and the effect it will have on the game.
UI is designed to give a quicker and more efficient navigation system. Maybe it will be better on consoles than PC.
Fast travel is optional - I have no problem with a compass personally.

Yes, then wait 4 years till the next installment and hope they make it better.

Experimenting is all fine and dandy, but TES has fans because they like the way TES plays. While some of the changes that are made may be fantastic people should rightfully be concerned. Hopefully Bethesda doesn't lose touch with the people who buy their games..



What technology??? It's a metal bow with a trigger, it's not exactly rocket science.



Fast travel wasn't really optional in Oblivion. Both map design and quest design were based around the assumption people are going to fast travel.

If the map is well designed and sidequests are "local" then It may be worthwhile NOT to fast travel in Skyrim.

has classes been removed before? they didnt do any use anyway..
perks will be great imo.
the graphics looks stunning on some of the screenshots.
we dont know that much about the UI yet - wait till you see it
we dont know how the new compass is - maybe it doesnt have locations on it

No spears in a traditional sense, so there might be some form of spears. I'm not going to list them for you.
Classes were completely irrelevant in past games so what is the point of keeping them? Also, it allows you to explore what you want to do for a longer period of time
Not confirmed yet
Spellmaking is still possible, and even if its not the spells have more depth to them now
see the post above....(there are actually more spells I believe
If perks allow for more customization, who cares? And perks were Oblivion, just not how they are implementing them now
You haven't SEEN the game...don't judge graphics yet.
Again, not confirmed yet.
The first thing I kind of agree on; but again, you haven't actually seen it in gameplay yet.
I really don't care about getting bashed for it, but the argument is true. Don't like fast travel? Don't freaking use it! Its optional so get over it <_< and the compass doesn't confirm quest markers either.