I used to play Crysis 2 on 360, but I just upgraded my pc, so I started playing the pc version. I'm still using my 360 controller 'cause that's what I'm used to. (I have been a pc user since I was little, and I'm 31, but I've never developed the skill on mouse and keyboard that I have on controller.) I am a little out of practice (the number of players online on 360 dropped too low, so It's been awhile since I played it), so I wasn't at the top of my game when I started playing last night/this morning, but I've been performing just fine. Using a controller hasn't been causing me any problems with getting slaughtered. Anytime I've done poorly, it's due to failing to watch my back, spot players who were well hidden, the other players performed strategy better, or the other player just had a better gun than me. Things like that, user error or being a low level, not due to inferior aiming or anything that can be blamed on the controller. Of course everyone tells me that controllers are inferior to mouse and keyboard. Is there anyone else playing Crysis 2 PC on controller and still able to keep up with all the mouse and keyboard players, or is it just me?

You will not have a chance against serious players.

Go on. How am I wrong about it not affecting my experience?

P.S: I really want to know. I'm not just arguing, I'm looking for a discussion on the subject. Thanks.

You just think you're good enough, but you don't realize you would be 3 times better than now, if you were using mouse+keyboard...

By your statistics, your accuracy is bad, and your KD is poor... that's not really "keeping up with all the mouse and keyboard players"

Even with a gamepad, you can easily beat the average.

The average player is very poor, and with purely superior gameplay you can easily best 75% of the masses.

I'm comparing my performance to my performance on Crysis 2 on Xbox, while accounting for me being rusty and out of practice. I don't think I'm playing worse than me playing on xbox while rusty, and I should be if mouse and keyboard are so superior I would think.

Has anyone played Crysis 2 on Xbox, PS3, or PC with a controller so they can make their own comparison?

Liberte-BR is best Xbox controller user on PC, you should contact him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NToX1xNnO9w&feature=plcp

It doesn't really matter, but with KDr of 0.6 and accuracy bellow 18%, you probably do play well with controller...
You've just been con-trolled )))

Anyways, controller is not worse than mouse, it's just harder to learn.
Some of my clan-mates used to play with controllers, but they got much better after switching to mouse+key. One of them is using his weird combo of joystick+trackball but I guess it's not the same as gamepad controller.

If you really like the controller, you should stick with it. But it wouldn't hurt you to try master the mouse.

This is my opinion about using a game controller in a PC enviroment: With a controller, you can move the joystick to the maximum radius your controller allows you to go, and that is your max speed for reactions like taking a corner or firing on a guy in stealth who snuck up on you. With a KB+M my limitation is how fast my arm will move. The precision with a KB+M also is unmatched as opposed to a controller. With a controller, you have a degree of speed ramping, whereas with a mouse with no acceleration, high polling rate, high DPI, and the correct windows sensitivity, I can do DRASTIC speed decreases and increases.

Check this video out for a reference:


Can you accomplish this movement with a controller? I haven't seen anyone yet, but give it a shot!

I can't figure out how to look up my Crysis 2 Xbox stats, but I found my Homefront Xbox stats, that's a good comparison. I'm pretty good at Halo: Reach (1.01 k/d), but that hasn't translated into the same level of performance in Crysis 2 or Homefront as yet. Homefront gameplay is a lot more like Crisis 2 than Halo: Reach is. I have a lot of practice in Halo that I don't have in aim down the sights with left trigger shooters. In Homefront 360 my k/d is 0.66, in Crysis 2 PC my k/d is 0.60. Homefront 360 31 wins 28 losses, Crysis 2 PC 16 wins 16 losses. Pretty close to the same. If PC keyboard and mouse players are so much better than Xbox controller players, then why is my performance not significantly worse on Crysis 2 PC?

Because your PUB stomping everyone that bought the Maximum Edition that just came out. If you want, we can 1v1 (be that I'm not that great) and I can show you the power of the KB+M.

I didn't see anything in the mouse movement video that I can't do on a controller, that I don't consider unnecessary movement. An experienced controller player just learns to be more careful about not wasting time with unnecessary movement, no frantically looking around everywhere, even places where it isn't possible for someone to be and glancing at the same places twice, after you've already determined there is no one there. You carefully look everywhere someone could be, in a given area, once, and keep moving. You use a combination of strafing and turning to efficiently look around corners, while staying behind cover. If you stop in an area for any length of time, you use scenery to limit the number of directions players can approach or fire from to reduce the area you need to sweep to watch for enemies, like keeping close to a wall corner behind you. I can get a pretty wide range of movement speeds with an Xbox controller anyway, it's not too much of a problem. I've even learned to do that waving of the gun thing. Maybe I should make a video of me playing Halo: Reach so you can see what I'm able to do with a controller.

Because your PUB stomping everyone that bought the Maximum Edition that just came out. If you want, we can 1v1 (be that I'm not that great) and I can show you the power of the KB+M.

That's just making excuses, there's no reason to assume that ME players aren't skilled mouse and keyboard players. I mean, how many of them simply upgraded from the previous version of C2 that use to be on Steam for 20 bucks?

It doesn't really matter, but with KDr of 0.6 and accuracy bellow 18%, you probably do play well with controller...
You've just been con-trolled )))

Anyways, controller is not worse than mouse, it's just harder to learn.
Some of my clan-mates used to play with controllers, but they got much better after switching to mouse+key. One of them is using his weird combo of joystick+trackball but I guess it's not the same as gamepad controller.

If you really like the controller, you should stick with it. But it wouldn't hurt you to try master the mouse.

Yeah, it wouldn't hurt, but like I said in the original post, I don't have skill with mouse and keyboard. I have a long way to go to catch up with my controller skill, let alone surpass it.

Here: http://c2stats.com/pc/p_Liberte-BR

This is the potential you can reach. Now that there is a good stats sheet. And he plays with Xbox controller.

I understand what you're saying about map iteration, but this is a twitch shooter. People can, on demand, be invisible, and are literally not visible from certain ranges. So, while I get closer to a choke point, I ADS at that choke point to see if my Visor Enhance picks up the red-outline of a guy in stealth, that's why I keep checking the same spot. Also, no matter how amazing your situational awareness is, due to the moving spawns in this game, someone will always get in your grill with a shot gun and with a controller you cannot react fast enough because you're limited by your hardware. I don't think anyone wants to see Halo Reach gameplay. Why don't you show us a gameplay of Crysis 2?

I understand what you're saying about map iteration, but this is a twitch shooter. People can, on demand, be invisible, and are literally not visible from certain ranges. So, while I get closer to a choke point, I ADS at that choke point to see if my Visor Enhance picks up the red-outline of a guy in stealth, that's why I keep checking the same spot. Also, no matter how amazing your situational awareness is, due to the moving spawns in this game, someone will always get in your grill with a shot gun and with a controller you cannot react fast enough because you're limited by your hardware. I don't think anyone wants to see Halo Reach gameplay. Why don't you show us a gameplay of Crysis 2?

Because I was talking about showing the best of what I can do with a controller and I'm not practiced and at the top of my game on Crysis 2 like I am with Reach.

Boy I'm tired of having to explain things that should have been obvious after reading my comments.

Dude play the game the way you want to play.There is really no point explaining people.Explaining people online is same as explaining to a 5years old kid that chocolate is bad for teeth.

Also, there were in fact plenty of times in Crisis 2 when someone popped in behind me, I spun and fired first, I consistently hit him from the first shot, and the only reason I died most of those times is because I haven't unlocked the better weapons yet, not because I didn't react well enough. And there were plenty of other occasions where someone thought they had the jump on me from whatever position, and I spotted them in time, turned and fired first, consistently landed my shots, and only died cause of my low level weapons. Once I unlock decent weapons, I won't be doing nearly as bad. Anyway, my point is, I do in fact react like you say isn't possible with a controller all the time, whether in Crysis 2 or Halo: Reach. If you wan't an example of what a skilled controller player can do in Crysis 2, someone already posted a vid and stats, so take a look.

Dude play the game the way you want to play.There is really no point explaining people.Explaining people online is same as explaining to a 5years old kid that chocolate is bad for teeth.

HA! Lol.

Thanks man, it's good advice.

Here: http://c2stats.com/pc/p_Liberte-BR

This is the potential you can reach. Now that there is a good stats sheet. And he plays with Xbox controller.

Thanks for your posts, man. It's really helpful.

Here's some advice. Let go of your pride, you will be happier without it. You don't need to make excuses for why you aren't as skilled with controller as you are with mouse and keyboard. ("It's not that I lack skill with controllers, it's that controllers aren't as good") You are skilled with mouse and keyboard, and that's all you need. I'm not very good with a mouse and keyboard, but that's ok. I don't care, I don't need to feel like I'm better than others at everything. I'm good with controllers, and that's all I need.

P.S.: I am not trying to be mean, I am not trying to insult anyone. I am being completely serious.

P.P.S.: Maybe controller players at that skill level are just less common, did you think of that?

I'm sorry for answering the question in your original post. I'll try not to be so prideful next time. Hopefully I see you in-game sometime.

Happy fraggin'

It doesn't really matter, but with KDr of 0.6 and accuracy bellow 18%, you probably do play well with controller...
You've just been con-trolled )))

Anyways, controller is not worse than mouse, it's just harder to learn.
Some of my clan-mates used to play with controllers, but they got much better after switching to mouse+key. One of them is using his weird combo of joystick+trackball but I guess it's not the same as gamepad controller.

If you really like the controller, you should stick with it. But it wouldn't hurt you to try master the mouse.

That would be me!

And no it's not the same -- What I have is basically a "trackball" and a "joystick" fused together in what used to be called a Panther XL. Now the "trackball" is not your traditional crappy store bought trackball -- those trackballs, while being optical, use a different low precision tracking method which is given away by the ball being glossy and smooth. My ball ( is 2.5'' ( haha ) and sanded so as to have surface micro-irregularities that a gaming mouse can track. Underneath the trackball there is a disassembled 3600 DPI Logitech G400 gaming mouse. As for the "joystick", it's connected to a B-Spec Labs AKI 3.0 Joystick Interface which uses a PIC18F2450 microcontroller to convert the anolog signals from the joystick into keystrokes that are sent over a high speed USB cable which shows up as a hardware keyboard in Windows. And yes, that means I have 2 USB cables coming out of my controller ( 1 for the mouse, 1 for the "joystick" ). Another neat thing is that the dead zones and key mappings are programmable and stored in the controller's ( ie. the PIC's ) on-board flash memory. So, you can program it, and take it to another computer without losing your settings.

Here is a picture :



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