Value for all vanilla equipment becomes 0 : IV

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:05 am

For some reason I haven't been able to pin down, after playing my new mage for a few minutes, the value of all vanilla Oblivion equipment suddenly becomes 0. This happens to any vanilla equipment I have equipped on my character, in my inventory, or in display in shops.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/dersquirrel/ScreenShot2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/dersquirrel/ScreenShot4.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/dersquirrel/ScreenShot1.jpg

Also, all vanilla equipment disappears from merchants' inventories. It's not there.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/dersquirrel/ScreenShot5.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/dersquirrel/ScreenShot3.jpg

The only mod I have that affects prices/economy that I know of is Enhanced Economy, and this happens if it's enabled or disabled.

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Artifacts.esm07  DBBAM.esp  [Version 1.33]08  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]09  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0A  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp11  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp12  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp13  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp14  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]15  sr_super_hotkeys.esp16  DLCHorseArmor.esp17  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]18  DLCOrrery.esp19  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1A  DLCVileLair.esp1B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]1F  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp20  DLCThievesDen.esp21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]23  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp24  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp25  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]26  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp27  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]28  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]29  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-BirthSigns.esp  [Version 1.33]2A  OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp  [Version 1.33]2B  OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp  [Version 1.33]2C  OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp  [Version 1.33]2D  OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp  [Version 1.33]2E  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]31  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]3A  Artifacts.esp3B  DLCFrostcrag.esp3C  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3D  Knights.esp3E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]3F  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp40  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]41  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  100% Harvest Chance Shivering Isles.esp42  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]43  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]44  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]45  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]46  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]47  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]48  AFLevelMod.esp++  Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp49  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp4A  NoMerchantBarterpvssyr.esp4B  Bashed Patch, 0.esp4C  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]4D  Weightless_Alchemy-5695.esp4E  Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp

Any idea what could be causing this and how I can fix it?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:38 pm

EDIT: It's happening in other places now. Still not sure why. Looking for any advice/help I can get.

I'm still not sure exactly what is causing it, but it only seems to happen if I enter Stonewall Shields in the Imperial City Market District. So far, as long as I don't enter that shop this bug doesn't happen.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:30 am

Sort your load order with the latest version of BOSS and rebuild your Bashed Patch.

4C OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp [Version 1.33] <-- You don't need this
4D Weightless_Alchemy-5695.esp <-- Put theis somewhere else
4E Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp <-- put this somewhere else

38 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3 <-- Grab the update from the FCOM thread.

10 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp <-- Grab the fixed version.
Popular Outdated Mods - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=popular_outdated_mods <-- link here

You should've installed the full version of OOO 1.33 and you have a number of LITE-only add-ons installed.

Upgrade the UOP to v3.2.9

24 Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp <-- should not be installed

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:40 pm

Thanks but that didn't fix it.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:26 pm

Thanks but that didn't fix it.

Please, post your updated load order, and verify that the configuration of your Bashed Patch is in accordance with the Bash Tags guide in the opening post of the FCOM thread.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:27 pm

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]08  DBBAM.esp  [Version 1.33]09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.9]0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]11  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp12  Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp15  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp16  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]17  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1C  DLCVileLair.esp1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]20  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]21  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp22  DLCThievesDen.esp23  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]24  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]25  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp26  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]28  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]29  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2A  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-BirthSigns.esp  [Version 1.33]2B  OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp  [Version 1.33]2C  OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp  [Version 1.33]2D  OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp  [Version 1.33]2E  OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp  [Version 1.33]2F  OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]30  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]33  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]3B  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]3C  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]3D  DLCFrostcrag.esp3E  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3F  Knights.esp40  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]41  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp42  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]43  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  100% Harvest Chance Shivering Isles.esp44  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]45  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]46  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]47  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]48  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]49  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]4A  AFLevelMod.esp++  Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp4B  _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp4C  NoMerchantBarterpvssyr.esp4D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp4E  Weightless_Alchemy-5695.esp4F  Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp

Tags are set to automatic and I don't see anything that says it should be otherwise in the FCOM thread.

I've played FCOM with Lite version of OOO for ~60 hours before this happened so I doubt they're the problems.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:01 pm

You misunderstand, OOO 1.34 only supports the FULL version. You have the FULL version installed. You just also happen to have plugins that are only for the LITE version installed, which make no sense.

The automatic tagging takes care of the tags assigned to the FCOM plugins, that is different from which plugins are checked off in the Bashed Patch config, itself. Make sure that you have the Patch's configuration correct (not the individual plugins' Bash tags...)

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:48 pm

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand. Are you talking about this part from the FCOM thread?

1. Right-click Bashed Patch, 0.esp in Wrye Bash > Rebuild patch:

Merge Patches - Generally all mergeable mods can be checked.
Import Actors - All FCOM mods and UOP checked.
Import Actors: AIPackages - All FCOM mods and UOP checked. Tag FCOM_Convergence.esp with ForceAIPackages.
Import Actors. Death Items - Uncheck Oblivion Warcry EV.esp, keep other FCOM mods and UOP checked.
Import Factions - All FCOM mods and UOP checked. Exception: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp.
Import Graphics - All FCOM mods. Tag Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm and Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp with graphics.
Import Inventory - All FCOM mods and UOP checked.
Import Relations - All FCOM mods and UOP checked. Exceptions: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm and Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp.
Import Scripts - All FCOM mods and UOP checked.
Import Stats - All FCOM mods and UOP checked.
Leveled Lists - Generally rely on tags.
Tweak Names - Rename Dwarven to Dwemer.

That I have done.

Here's my latest load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]08  DBBAM.esp  [Version 1.33]09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.9]0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]11  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp12  Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp13  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp15  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp16  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]17  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1C  DLCVileLair.esp1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]20  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]21  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp22  DLCThievesDen.esp23  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]24  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]25  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp26  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]28  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]29  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2A  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]2B  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]36  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]37  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]38  DLCFrostcrag.esp39  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3A  Knights.esp3B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]3C  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp3D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]3E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  100% Harvest Chance Shivering Isles.esp3F  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]40  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]41  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]42  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]43  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]44  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]45  AFLevelMod.esp++  Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp46  NoMerchantBarterpvssyr.esp++  Weightless_Alchemy-5695.esp++  Weightless_Repair_Hammers-7731.esp47  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

As of this load order the problem is still happening across all characters.

I disabled Armamentium since it was the newest mod to see if it was the problem which disabled the Bashed Patch and all the mods merged with it as well, and with all of those mods off the problem still occurs.

I also disabled Aldonnay's Elven Weaponry as it was installed at the same time, and the problem still occurs.

I don't know much about mods but this seems very strange to me. Has anyone heard of something like this happening before? Google isn't showing anything like this that I can find.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:46 pm

That was the section I was referring to. I have not heard of the issue, I don't think. Maybe your saves are bad. :L Have you tried rolling back a ways?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:14 pm

EDIT: Spoke too soon. Problem still happening after updating Enhanced Economy. Out of ideas.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:31 am

That was the section I was referring to. I have not heard of the issue, I don't think. Maybe your saves are bad. :L Have you tried rolling back a ways?

I've made brand new characters that run into the problem. Is there another way to rollback saves?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:35 pm

How big is your Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:25 pm

The problem is in your mod list somewhere. Try binary search (i.e., disable, including removing from the Bashed Patch, everything after MMM.)

11 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp <-- Don't use two version of the same mod, and this one is buggy, anyway.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:20 am

How big is your Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm?

10.7 megabytes.

The problem is in your mod list somewhere. Try binary search (i.e., disable, including removing from the Bashed Patch, everything after MMM.)

11 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp <-- Don't use two version of the same mod, and this one is buggy, anyway.

I started by disabling Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items.esm and all the things associated with it and the problem stopped, so I'm narrowing it down.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:39 pm

10.7 megabytes.

I started by disabling Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items.esm and all the things associated with it and the problem stopped, so I'm narrowing it down.

Wow... That was a nice guess, haha.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:00 pm

10.7 megabytes.

I started by disabling Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items.esm and all the things associated with it and the problem stopped, so I'm narrowing it down.

In that case you have installed Francesco with Living Economy.

Reinstall Francesco without it.

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:03 am

In that case you have installed Francesco with Living Economy.

Reinstall Francesco without it.

It is odd that it is not in the OP's load order then...

Edit: Can you enable EE and do a price reset or something (in the way you could with LE)?

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:25 am

It is worth mentioning that whenever I make a new guy that Enhanced Economy tells me Living Economy is running but it says it can disable LE and I let it do it. But that has happened well before this all started.

I tried disabling just Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm and FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp and the problem went away. Looking for Francesco downloads now.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:46 pm

It is worth mentioning that whenever I make a new guy that Enhanced Economy tells me Living Economy is running but it says it can disable LE and I let it do it. But that has happened well before this all started.

I tried disabling just Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm and FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp and the problem went away. Looking for Francesco downloads now.

Why can't you just reinstall, as H2Odk suggested? Maybe Fran has LE changes slightly integrated or something. You may need to reinstall to get the right ESM...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:04 pm

It is odd that it is not in the OP's load order then...

Edit: Can you enable EE and do a price reset or something (in the way you could with LE)?

Frans Living Economy is in that esm, it is named the same and has the same version number. The LE version is ~11mb, the non LE version is ~900kb (both for SI).

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:19 pm

Frans Living Economy is in that esm, it is named the same and has the same version number. The LE version is ~11mb, the non LE version is ~900kb (both for SI).

I always used the standalone version of LE, so I never notice, haha. I actually need to reinstall Fran as well because the SI features are also integrated, and I no longer use Fran SI.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:29 am

Why can't you just reinstall, as H2Odk suggested? Maybe Fran has LE changes slightly integrated or something. You may need to reinstall to get the right ESM...

That's what I was planning to do I just don't have the file on my computer.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:12 pm

That's what I was planning to do I just don't have the file on my computer.

Oh, that kind of stinks...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:07 am

So far so good...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:34 pm

Safe to say problem's solved. Thanks so much to everyone who helped.