That's what I pretty much said..It's only a coincidence that those clans only seem to have 1 race of NPCs.


Wear the hide and parts of the prey you slew.


However, both are wrapped in myths. But unlike this world, myths in TES tend to be true, or hint heavily at the truth. Also, being a vampire does svck! Why? Well, for one you CAN be one in the TES games, and there are accounts of people (though rare) of being cured from the disease/curse. So that line of "well since we're not vampires we'll never really know" is moot. As a vampire, you are driven feed by consuming the blood of others. This was exemplified in DF in that they had to kill something every 24hrs (you kill and drink their blood, and it doesn't matter who/what you kill). In MW, this was done by having it so the PC couldn't regenerate his/her life and had to use an absorb health vampire spell as if he/she is consuming the blood of an enemy (again, anything will work). In OB, you had to feed only on mer/men/beastfolk in order to stay pretty, and accounts from in-game notes and actions show that if they Cyrodiil vampires don't feed, they go crazy and bloodthirsty (har, har).

Not to mention whenever you close your eyes, you have horrific nightmares each and every time. Furthermore, never being able to see the sun again also really svcks, as you can no longer bask in the warmth of the sun light, and is forced to live in dark places and be active during the night.


They're damned in a sense that they can no longer die, and have to consume only the blood of the living for the remainder of their lives until they become cured or die a violent end. And depending on which myth you choose, it's a daedric curse through and through, whether it was from [censored] to create an abomination of Arkay, defilement of a corpse, or the corruption of a mortal to be a walking nightmare

Not really. Like others have been saying, there's at least 3 creation stories, though 1 of them is more speculator from the nature of a vampire. In two of them, they were created when Molag Bal [censored] who is now the Blood Matron or a dead body. The third is if Vaernima is really the creator, due to her sphere of nightmares.

Peryite's sphere is constantly changing. But if it was pestilence, it seems to be more of the indiscriminate spreading of deadly plagues and diseases. Plus, he is also hugely obsessed with order. And since vampires are anything but natural order, I have a huge feeling he doesn't like them so much.


and the dunmer, and Arkay, and nature in general (which pisses off a few daedric lords too).


eh? The tsaesci arrived late first era. Vampires have been around earlier then their arrival, so why do we keep saying it was the tsaesci for spreading vampirism?

Why should peryite not have anything to do with porphyric hemophelia?

You said his sphere changes, but where does that information come from? Last I checked, he's the lord of pestilence and plague, which vampirism is. The concept of order is very vague, so is natural order, especially in a world of magic and near complete freedom. Would you explain or post a link to his sphere of order, please?

Why would telling me dunmer, arkay, and nature are mockeries discredit or make the altmer/vampire contrast anyless important? I didn't say anything about Akavir giving Tamriel vampires, that's someone else.

You have two contradicting sources right here: http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/book_daedra.shtml and http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/on_oblivion.shtml. Both are in Oblivion and in the past games.


A disease yes and also a curse. Not a plague or pestilence. Plagues and pestilence are epidemics, meant to ravage, destroy, and cause death. You don't see a person cough and then suddenly a whole town turns into vampires. No I am not splitting hairs, because if you go down this road, we may as well remove Hiricine and his lycanthropes and hand them over to Peryite, since you can only become a lycan (without Hiricine's ring) by catching sanis lupis, another disease/curse. Also, many of the daedra lords do occasionally overlap in minor ways. Hiricine's lycanthropic diseases are diseases, yes. However, they are not meant to kill the person, but change them into lycanthropes. Same thing with the vampire disease. The point of a plague and pestilence is to ravage, destroy, and kill.


Wrong! Tamriel would never naturally have vampires, and there is complete freedom in that mortals are not bound to predictability. It was the case of an outside influence forcing a change (molag bal or vaermina) against the natural order of people being mortal. People do not suddenly turn into vampires like a cold, and were never intended too. If you look at Namaria, she's an EXTREMELY all-natural daedric prince. Anything that goes against the nature of things is heavily looked down upon. Because of that, despite being the prince of loving dark and ugly things and places, she ABHORS the undead and the likes (as seen in her ring in Daggerfall).


look above. Plus, in his OB quest, he keeps using how he wants you to restore the natural balance of order.

I didn't. I also also pointing out to you that the damn altmer should look beyond their nose. What I was point out is that vampires are more than just a mockery to the altmer, they're also an insult and a mockery to the things I listed. Some for the same reason, other for another reason.

I got lazy, sorry.

Hm, thanks for the links. No offense taken, I get lazy lots too.

Vampires are so lame. Werewolves were kinda cool in Bloodmoon, at least game-play wise.

Umm... aren't they and all the daedra and all the Aedra and ET'ADA, etc. all bound to the Elder Scrolls? I always tought that the only people who could defy the Elder Scrolls were 'Heros' Meaning the Player and A few people in the Lore.

No. The daedra live outside Mundus and define their own rules, but are still made relevant because of mortals. What they do is change Mundus around from what Shor originally had settled there. The aedra are what make up and allow Mundus to exist. The other et'ada are either mortals or the Man-gi (or however you spell it) who reside in the Aetherius and have absolutely no interaction what-so-ever with Mundus and Oblivion. Plus, no one is really bound, per se. They're more of written records, that differ depending on whose reading them. I could guess that they're actually how different people play the game differently, so depending on who "reads them" reads a different event.

And what Shor tried to accomplish was break free from predictability, which is also how Jyggy could conquer so well, and confirmed by the interview with Haskill and Dyus.