This is in regard to the Gray Prince quest line, where we learn that by some mystic ability, a male vampire impregnates an Orc. I'm sorry, but what sense does this make? Aren't vampires, in all usual aspects, "dead?" In that aspect, why do you still run out of breath when underwater as a vampire? When's the last time something dead needed to breathe underwater?

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When is the last time something dead could walk around???

Would you rather have another CHIM debate?

Or an 11 page discussion on Muatra?

:P

Honestly, yes.

They sometimes end up being fun. For a short while.

So I'm guessing there is no answer?

Especially Muatra.

On-topic, the underwater breathing thing is pure game mechanics, an oversight, whatever. Unimportant. The pregnancy thing is more challenging to brush off, since obviously there is a quest associated with it. But really, all Lord Lovidicus (or any vampire) needs is some motile sperm. Do vampires normally have motile sperm? Hell if I know. There may be some typical vampire characteristics that would get in the way, but who really knows with TES vampires?

:shrug: I always thought that the father got turned after impregnating the Orc mother...but then again I might not have been paying attention.

I always thought of TES vampires as being critically affected by a (magick?) disease/mutation rather than being undead. We don't have a lot of lore on vampires as it is, and I'd like to see them expanded upon.

Vampires are definately not "dead" in all usual aspects. They breath, write books, run around, say things?

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent. Thread closed?

Vampires aren't dead, they're on Speed. I mean, look at those http://www.oblivion-blog.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/VampireMe/Lan_the_Vampire.jpg. You don't get a face like that unless you're a drug abuser.

Okay, not for the sake of argument, but this is fact. Vampire tales been around forever right? Well, if you wanna bring "TES Vampires" into this, fine. I will answer your question.

*FACT*

The Elder Scrolls was based off of D&D and twisted it into thier own vision. But keeping many of the same principals, that being said, you can use inductive reasoning to conclude that any "general rule" or folk lore in D&D will "most likely" be the same for TES, and vice versa. In old school D&D, Vampires are extremely uncommon, because they are practically invincable. They are immortal. No holy water or wooden stake bull***t. They contained the ability to regenerate. And this is where many people get confused.

Anybody can pass out/be knocked unconscious, it would make perfect sense if a vampires head was lopped off it would just lay there. but if you were to cut off a pinky of a Vampire, and smelt the rest of him into nothingness, then his pinky would mabye, in about a month restore the Vampire wholey.

So a vampire doesn't have to worry about drowning or starving, or silly Jesus Juice or Splintery Fence Posts. That's flat out Dracula Ridiculous.

Now this stuff I am not sure if it is fact or not, (according to D&D) I am certain that Vampires do feel the Urge for blood and can only drink blood, I don't know though, I never read that mabye they can eat people food but it's just blande to them or whatever, but mabye somewhere it says that in some old D&D tome. I have never heard of a Vampire "loving" a mortal, kudos to bethesda for being pervs, they usually hold the mentality that they are far superior to mortals in every way and we are just frail "cows". But, again, I have never read that it's not possible for a vampire to impregnate a mortal. In TES lore there is books about inter-racial lovers, but I don't think they ever had any products of there love.

And finally, death. To my knowledge the only way to kill a Vampire is to put it out in the sun or destroy it's soul. There are day-walkers though.

Again, TES was based off of D&D, but it is not D&D. So for the ES world killing a vampire butt naked with your bare fists is completely possible. But as for TES team who writes the lore, I think (opinion) that they f****d up Vampires. Half-Orc Half-Vampire? I played the quest too, but What The Hell!? They should've sticked somewhat closer to what they were basing it off of. But then again, D&D was based off of LOTR, and I never heard of Vampires in LOTR. So, it's thier universe they can add/remove/edit whatever the hell they want to.

I have always thought about it that way as well.

http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/porphyria http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/hemophilia.

They drink blood to replace a blood protein they can't synthesise?

And about the cross breeding thing, I thought it was possible, the child just took on the race of the mother?

Last time i checked they where alive and infected by a disease created by what deadric prince again?

The porphyrin ring is a molecule, not a protein. If the body can't synthesize porphyrins, drinking blood shouldn't be able to replace it.

I don't know if they can. I mean, there is nothing that implies they cannot (as they aren't really "dead", just diseased) but I do not believe they would intentionally do so. Their concept of families, or rather, bloodlines, is based on others infected.

It is only by spreading their affliction can they "reproduce"; or at least a perverted mimicry of reproduction. By this infection mechanism social groups of vampires anologous to "families" are formed, which this document will call "bloodlines". A bloodline has the genealogical attribute (or pedigree attribute, depending on one's perspective) which means each bloodline considers a specific individual as head the patriarch/matriarch. It is widely believed that each bloodline founder can in turn trace their ancestry back to a common source; patient zero. This has yet to be confirmed.
-UESP, Daggerfall on Vampirism

He'd already been a vampire for a long time. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/journal_lord_lovidicus.shtml

Interesting story, a bit ironic I must said. I wonder if it can go the other way around (i.e. female vampire and norm male)?

The vampirism disease must usually shut off your reproductive organs. In the lord's case, he got lucky, orc women tend to be quite fertile, or all of the above.

Also, don't cross D&D with TES. Yes, TES came from D&D, but mixing their lore together will not give you the answer and a bunch of bad assumptions. Using older TES material, vampires cannot be harmed, unless you use silver or better. In III and IV, any weapon will do, but vamps still hold a weakness to silver. Vampires don't need to eat, but they can go crazy if they do not feed on blood, at least when they are young. The older vampires can control their urge to drink. Also, a vampire can die just like any mortal. They can still drown, burn (even more easily than a normal person), suffocate, etc. But, they're still quite very resilient to disease, so don't expect them to die of dysentery. They don't need to eat food and drink water, but they still can. No need to destroy its soul, or burn it; they turn into dust as soon as they die (well, I find that it is implied since you get vamp dust, and that the devs are just lazy to not so them burn into ash).

They don't call it a Fantasy-based RP for no reason, you know.

The problem is that Vampires get different depending on which game you're talking about, for example: in Daggerfall they were immune to weapons weaker than silver and it was near-impossible to sneak up on them, in Morrowind and Oblivion they could be harmed by any weapon and it was easier to sneak up on them

The book Immortal Blood gives a good sourceof what other kinds of vampires there are in Tamriel

No.