Hey all, I figured it'd be neat to have a thread dedicated to vampires, and what people want to see modded in. Yes I know it isnt lore friendly, but thats the beauty of having a construction kit.

So to get the ball rolling...

I'd love to see Vampires like Vampire Bloodlines modded in. From what I have seen it should be possible to do. Although it would require FOSE.

-Vampires turning to mist/bats/wolves.
- Bullet time
- A blood counter that gets reduced as you use your special abilities..
- Get more powerful the longer your a vampire - (increased weaknesses as well?)
- Different 'clans' of vampires, with unique abilties.
- 'masquerade' set up, if you go flaunting your bloodsvcking ways vampire hunters will come after you.. and if you really blow your cover other vampires will try and off you.
- ghoul system, share your blood with various npcs and have them turn into servants. (Possibly do some vanilla quests for you? Random chance at various endings depending on level of ghoul and its karma level?)

A link to an oblivion mod that does much of this..
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6492

How about instead of straight up vampires we have ghoul-like creatures.

Maybe a quest where you are infected by a highly mutated version of the FEV virus that sat in a radioactive area too long.
You can infect others with the virus and either make them ghouls like you or feral....ect.

I'm on the fense... while I dont want vampires in fallout per se, the game engine reminds me sometimes of playing "vampire: bloodlines" so I would LOVE a good vampiric conversion.

There wouldnt be any point in a masquerade, any other setting sure - but things are crazy in fallout. With the rotting ghouls, demonic deathclaws and psychotic raiders, I dont think folks would think all that much if there were vampires. The people who know of the "vampires" in the train tunnel think they're a bunch of weirdos, so they'd probably think the same of real vampires. But also don't forget there's no communication network, no way a scared village can warn the world about you - and it's not like anyone will believe them, or care. Even if three dog was talking about vampires most folks wouldn't be particularly concerned, I mean there was a woman who could control ants by means unknown and a man in a tin suit leading a robot army and yet nobody outside of canterbury seemed to care. And even they thought they were more annoying than actaully dangerous.

Other than that, sounds interesting.

How about

*grins* Can never resist a good arguement.
1) If a branch of the US goverment could survive, why couldnt an arm of the church? Mainly the inquisition. Sure robots could be more lethal then vampires, but if you believe vampires are Satan's spawn, which would you focus on?

2) A communcations network does exist. Remember Threedog. He gets his information from somewhere, even if it is from a runner.

3) By the admission of the very folks in Canterberry(sp?) not a single person was killed. Comparing that to a person who drinks your blood and bursts into flame in direct sunlight (not to mention some of the 'clans' actually require eating of flesh too)..

Now for a somewhat reasonable tie in for fallout, what if the vampires were in positions of power before the great war. If some goverment got wind of the vampires existance and was about to organize a campiagn against them, how would they react? My money is they'd push the button and trigger the great war. *takes off tin-foil hat*

I second this.

If somebody can generally improve the family I would not mind this... that was one of the first quests that I did and it dissapointed me a lot, certainly not the best written or concieved one in the game.

Thats a cool idea. They could be well informed by having preachers in all the settlements as spies.

*imagines a man in a black regulator duster with a cross painted on the back and various holy instruments hanging off his belt*

He could show up in paradise falls and lay some beatings to.

My only problem with that is why do "vampires" have to go hand-in-hand with religion? I personally enjoy FO3 because it doesn't have strong religious overtones(even compared to regular T.V.). That is why my explanation actually makes the most sense for how "vampires" get initialized in game in a canonical fashion.

I am not bashing on people's religions here, I just think that with what has already been implemented in game, and with proper expansion, it can proceed forward without the religion being the vampires antithesis.

Now I doubt I am the right person to do this, as something of that magnitude would require people more skilled than I, but I would at least be willing to put forward an effort to .

They aren't really vampires just cannibals. Everyone jumped to the conclusion they were vampires because that is how people are.
If inquisitors did exist in game then I'm sure they would also be fighting the slavers,pimps, and others as well.

Besides every vampire needs a man in trench-coat and hat chasing them with a wooden stake.

Actually, about the wooden stake thing, I much prefer the silver bullet mentality as it would allow firearms to be used as their weapon(silver bullets, yeah, that means ouch on your wallet).

I am fan of the bloodlines system. Create a lethality scale for weapons.

You can assign a lethality of 1 to a 10mm, which means it does jack **** damage to you. However a shotgun could have a lethality of 20 (ouch!).

Based on the lethality you could increase decrease dmg a vampire player receives. In theory it could work

silver bullets, but the should be very rare and only small caliber, like 10mm and .32

That would require a complete overhaul of the weapon system, I think making weapons that are scripted to work better against them would do the trick. Using silver in a shotgun would ultimately be wasteful simply due to the lowered accuracy(this is a rare metal we're talking about here).


Yeah, I agree. May need to make a custom version of some guns to fire them, just to avoid using FOSE(that and I don't know how hard it would be to make the 10mm and .32 weapons have alternate fire or silver bullets, I may have to talk with thedamned about that one).


But anyway, silver bullets would have to do basically the same damage as normal bullets, but just add a bane effect(if effects like that don't exist/aren't possible, maybe just some clever scripting). Also, it would seem turning enemies into ash piles is already built into the game for us(if this method of their death is the one decided on that is).

Could just spruce up a gauss rifle and call it the sunbeam or something. Make the blast it spits out gold in color. Be a nice high-tech vampire slaying rifle.

Laser rifle would be better, since it is compressed light and the Gauss is just a magnetically accelerated projectile. I actually liked the idea of using .32 and 10mm, could have both revolvers and automatics that way without them being some of the larger more devastating calibers. Who doesn't want a revolver as the vampy be good special?

I was thinking gauss rifle because it was one shot then reload.

How is damage from weapons calculated? Is it from the weapon itself? I wonder if its possible to modify the ammo to take in account vampire or not. Then all you would have to do is modify something like calibar and bang your done

You make valid points, but I must retort:

1) Perhaps an inquisition would work, but there is no strong presence of religion in fallout. The nuts in megaton are much more interested in "becoming one with atom" than to do anything useful, and that little church in rivet city appears to be the only functioning church in the area, quite probably the entire state. Perhaps say, the Regulators would make for a better foe for vampires.

2) But Three Dog is all there is, and most people dont appear to put too much stock into what he says. With all the ridiculous and out there stuff he says most people would probably hear him say "vampire" and think to themselves "yeah whatever, three dog".

3) But death hardly phases most people in fallout, hell that kid in greyditch doesnt pause for a second when you tell him his dad is dead. It wouldnt matter if the antagonizer killed a hundred people, I wouldn't expect many wastelanders to care either way. Indeed most people are pretty jaded in fallout, I'd imagine most of them are vaguely aware of strange meat's origins and I'd bet they're not so much interested in the "good fight" other than its something other than enclave radio adresses.

Infact I'd bet you could walk right up to somebody in megaton, bare your fangs and say "raaa! imma vampire!" and they'd be like "yeah whatever, i got stuff to do - no time for this crap"

ETA: Also if you need an anti-vampire weapon, why not just use the flame thrower? Don't need no silver bullets or purified stakes, just burn 'em. I'd imagine thats how a real world government would deal with a hostile vampiric threat.

1) I agree with you in that there isnt a strong presence in fallout in regards to religion. However, it is there. Withen the first 5 minutes of the game bible passages are being quoted to you. Also there are a number of blown up churchs in the wasteland

2) Yeah three dog is a nutty character. But if one radio station exists surely there are others. I was just pointing out that civlization hasnt completly lost the ability to get the news out

3) True, most people probably wouldnt be phased by a simple baring of fangs. However, if they saw you svcking the blood of their next door neighbor they'd still attack you.

This is where my example of bloodlines game really kicks in. People only react negativly to you under certain conditions.. feeding in public, and commiting supernatural acts (turning into monster to shred people for example). Even in bloodlines though, if they see one of these acts, the civlians dont attack you, they call the cops. Since police dont exist in fallout, vampire hunters are called for. Another + for that system is you wouldnt be killing quest npcs in town if you screw up

This vampire idea sounds fantastic to me. It would take some skilled modders to pull it off, but if they did, I would be quite grateful.

I'd have to also agree with that idea. anything that improves The Family as a Faction would be great. also i know many people who see this and see the dates will complain about the Thread Necromancy but i think this topic is owrth further attention to the modding community