Yes, I consider it a form of a cheat.

But so what?

They built a plethora of cheats into the console on PC.

If they don't the kiddies won't buy the game because they don't believe anything in life should be difficult for them.

They were raised getting Trophies for < participating >.

Taught that there are no losers.

The VATS cheat just makes it part of the game instead of having to exit to the console to initiate a cheat.

We Americans are a nation of cheaters.

We cheat on our spouses, we cheat our customers, we cheat the government ( IRS ) ... there is virtually no aspect of American life that doesn't involve cheating or the possibility of it.

I was amazed to discover that there is 4 hours of TV every weekday devoted mostly to people who have cheated, are suspected of cheating, etc. etc.

And that is just the very very small percentage of people who are willing to have their cheating exposed for a few bucks . The price of a DNA test that they don't want to or can't afford on their own so they have these shows give them the test(s) and appear in exchange.

Guessing the person that said that is one of those people that gets bothered by how strangers are playing a single player game?

Maybe it's your location, but I think you have that upside down.

All of this is a huge generalization. Plenty of children and Americans don't believe in cheating nor think that everything should be simply "handed" to them. And for those who do...it's not even a 21st century thing, you have people all over the world throughout all of history who do the same [censored] over and over again because everyone is a human being.

VATS? Optional. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. Therefore, if you think VATS is cheating, just don't use it. Same with Power Armor. And that's fine if someone doesn't use these features.

I'm getting old and reflex twitch abilities deteriorating. As well as hardware svcking, making downtown FPS horrible. So if my character is supposed to be a great shot, why should he suffer from that? He/she doesn't, instead aiming capabilities are reflected from perception. It's part of RPG'ing and certainly not a cheat in my view. I feel more like cheating when I'm doing long shots manually rather than chem'ing up perception.

I think you may be misremembering, or perhaps have experienced a bug or a glitch. I have never been able to enter V.A.T.S. prior to picking up the pip-boy near the vault entrance.

Or maybe I am the one experiencing the bug/glitch....

I was able to use VATS in Vault 111 after picking up the baton. So either it's an oversight, or...the SS is just skilled.

No. They didn't mention that. They were just boasting about how skilled they were at FPS games, and stated that anyone who uses VATS isn't on their level. (In a nutshell)

They should play in VATS alone, if they feel it's a cheat.

When you have a mob after you and you don't have the action points to shoot them- refrain from FPS'ing it.

the enemies is fallout 3 as well as fallout 4 are very fast amd quick, plus it usually take a fair amount of ammo to kill some enemies as well as ammo conservation, VATS is a good game mechanic that makes the game fun, i use it quite often.

Try it. It's true. Just hit your vats button in the vault when you run in to any radroach.

Oh lord. You run. Maybe that's why you need this hand holder, because you need to be somehow OP and never run from danger.

I run from any fight I'm not in control of. It's basic tactics. I run, re position myself, and continue the combat.

Sorry you are all wrong. Vats is a leftover part of Fallout 1/2/T, from when the game was turn based iso perspective that most seem to not remember. I miss not being able to target groins or the eyes.

Critical hit to super mutants groin 255 damage.

I don't even see why anyone is even trying to compare each other at this point... It does not matter. People can play this non-online single player game any way they want, using or not using game mechanics that are built into it. This is just getting ridiculous at this point. Can't we just agree that what makes someone a bad player in this kind of game is if they die a million times on an easier setting or don't know how to even play in the first place?

I use VATS sometines, don't use it other times. I never use it for sniping, rarely for mid-distance, but more often for shorter "oh crap" moments or for those flying bugs.

Let's face it, the slow motion kills are also cool, at least for me. Also, VATS is not a permanent state, you have limited points you can use, so you still have to manage them carefully depending on your SPECIAL build. And you can still miss with VATS.

I personally find power armor to be much more of an easy mode than VATS. Try taking down a Deathclaw at level 1 with VATS only versus a deathclaw with no VATS but a power armor. The later is much easier.

No. It's an assisted RPG single player game. There are no bad players. It's for having fun and developing your char along certain pathways.

Because I play it on Survival, I p[lay all games on the hardest setting, and manage to dominate the game, my way, it's working just fine, for me. Telling me PA is cheating while using VATS will elucidate a response every time.

Yes, because their FPS skills in a single-player RPG (though with some of the changes made one could debate that, but that's an argument for another thread) is really something to brag about. LoL.

This.


The person you're quoting is just arrogant. They're my sole inspiration for starting this thread

Hell if I'm serious I'll play L4D for a few hundred hours, it's my practice toy, endless headshots are what we are aiming at. After stroking, what I have left for skills, I'd go play Counterstrike.

There may have been a reference to inadequacy, possibly that was a bit too hard of a yank.. It has certainly produced results though.

VATS was a necessary connection to the turn-based combat of Fallout 1 & 2, for those of you old enough to have played those when they were new. When Fallout 3 was announced it was hard enough wrapping our idea around the idea of the game being translated to first person, VATS delivered a little bit of continuity that helped keep the familiar while being new.

Calling it a cheat is just beyond absurd.

It's sad to see a 70yr old on a video game forum boasting/trolling on about their "skills". I'm sorry to say, grammy, but you wouldn't stand a chance playing against 80% of the "VATS users" in an online FPS game. You're delusional, but it's understandable, considering your age


Congrats on your successful troll though, you had me going for a min there

Cheat in a single player game.

Hilarious.

There are no cheats in single player games. Who are you disadvantaging?

I use VATS all the time. I love it. Easy mode works perfect for me.

I don't understand this "VATS is too easy/cheating" -stuff. I mean, I like to use it, but killing enemies out-of-VATS is so much faster.