I ran into somebody on these forums that claimed VATS was a built in cheat, and that if you use it you're making up for your inability to aim.


I personally think it was a very arrogant and near sighted comment TBH.


I'm interested in hearing more opinions on this matter. How do you guys feel about VATS?

It's not a cheat. Fallout 4 is not purely a first person shooter. It is an RPG. This isn't Call of Duty. The person who made that comment is probably a Call of Duty bro who's just now playing a Fallout game for the first time.

Personally, comments like that aren't even worth wasting my time arguing. It's a game mechanic that is a center piece of the Fallout franchise. Calling it a cheat is nonsense.

Ya pretty much spot on description, it is just fun to hit their gun, but you can't do that anymore since they got rid of weapon deterioration.

Yes. Yes. And he has since clarified that he felt that it was a "cheat" for him.

We all understand that some folks come from an FPS environment where VATS feels like a cheat for them.

Personally, I love VATS. Makes my life immeasurably easier. That being said, my BoS runthrough without VATS was pretty awesome though.

I dont use VATS at all really...I dont think its cheating either, its been a part of the game since I started playing fallout games (FO3)..

Calling it a cheat is stupid but I mostly agree with him about VATS, they make the game way too easy for me. They've always been my least favorite part of Fallout and I'm just really glad you can play 4 without them.

It was in response to your claim that Power Armor was cheating. A ridiculous claim.

I'm 69 this year and have been playing video games since the 90s. I have played all the Fallout 3D games without ever using VATS as it seemed like cheating to me. I just came off nearly 2 years of ESO and my chops were bad. Now they are ... alright.

I don't need no stinkin' VATS, to mangle an old saying.

If VATS was a "cheat", you would hit your target every time regardless of how far away you are, and it would magically make your weapon do more damage. It's entirely optional, and isn't perfect, just like Power Armor is often called a "cheat" even if it also has its own specific flaws. If I want to shoot the manual way, with no other options, I will go play Halo, Bioshock, etc.

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Currently I don't use it and I have barely used it at all in 3 and NV. I prefer the feel of being in control by doing the things myself.

VATS is great - especially for playing on console.


VATS does make the game perhaps overly easy but VATS is uniquely fallout.

I'd think of VATS as more.... the "hero's super power", and with mods/console commands, your "one savior of Commonwealth" can gain MORE "Hero's super power", such as my "Teleport bugged NPC to my settlement" ability to acquire Larry... My Wasteland hero also can built Robots (like Skywalker), pull out and re-mount *mods(because, reasons), and bullet time when holding up the aim sights(like NEO)... there is NOTHING wrong with being a super hero, it's a dark and messed up world out there, the wasteland needs a super hero, why settle for less? what is this? Fury Road?! where Max isn't even as cool as his lady friend? NO! don't be a casual! BE A HERO!

No it's not a cheat. Because it the world of Fallout that is a technology that was developed for pip boys by Robco Industries for use for Vault Tec on Vaults. It's not a cheat.

You probably already know that.

To say it is cheating is to say that Aiming is cheating! or any sort of Scope or modification on the weapon is cheating! How can anyone even say that! lol

Besides the military already has something like that being researched. Many weapons use it like Drones etc. Are the military cheating? .. lol

There you are! I mentioned you! I thought we'd already hashed this one out.

the way it worked in Fallout 3 and New Vegas definitely felt unbalanced for me

the percentages in Fallout 4 are way better... it finally feels like an option, rather than a necessity

VATS is there, so it's hard not to use because of how it's integrated into the game considering it has 3 skills dedicated to it, but tbh, it's outdated with the modern combat mechanics. We sort of have the option to choose to use it or not though, by opting out of using agility, perception and luck to some degree and opting instead for endurance, so a bit of variety like that is nice.

I do not think it is reasonable to label any intentionally designed game mechanic as cheating. The definition of cheating precludes it. IMO.

Actually, I responded to your post claiming VATS was a built in cheat. I told you that it's just your opinion, not a fact. I then said that it depends on your play style, and gave you an example using PA and my playthrough. I said I'm playing a low armor steath build on legendary, and using PA is "cheating" myself. You then proceeded to claim PA wasn't cheating, and VATS was, like it was a fact that applies to everyone. That's when I decided on posting my own thread instead of arguing with you.


What do you think about people's reaction to this thread?

There's no such thing as cheating in a single-player game. Is it cheap? Yes. However, not everybody is getting 60 solid FPS either. I only use it when I'm in PA with my Gauss Rifle and feeling lazy.

Well... I actually specifically use VATS because I have bad aim and to slow down the pace of combat. So I guess I don't have much to counter that statement with...

VATS a cheat? If criticals weren't a thing I probably would barely use it (and I didn't use it much in 3 or NV, just when I felt like I wanted a change). It's too inaccurate for sniping and, while it may be due to my low Perception builds, I miss more than my fair share of VATS shots that I would've certainly hit with a manually-aimed shot.

I personally prefer to use VATS at least somewhat sparingly. I don't use it all the time. Some people do I use it most frequently on freaking bloodbugs and bloat flies lol

The bright side is that it's optional. There is not a single point in the entire game where using VATS is required.

About what I would expect. FPS player are everywhere, my skills are not at all unusual and I do understand that some people are not FPS players. That's why VATS is in the Fallout 3D games.

I really enjoy combat in video games. I love Stalker more than any other game because it's head a and shoulders above all other single player shooters, as an RPG shooter game. Fallout 4 now has not bad shooter mechanics and as I'm used to a poor shooter engine that Fallout 3 and NV have so I'm, well not in heaven, but happy with the game.

Well into my second play through and it's going very well. Oh ... used PA once so far in 16 levels. Tinker Tom is my friend and I weave now.

It's a single player RPG. Who cares.

I consider myself pretty good at shooters, and I've played plenty of actual shooters more difficult than Fallout 4 but I still use VATS, if not use it more than actually doing the shooting myself. It's a means of using my character's stats directly in combat, like you know, RPGs tend to do. Acting as sort of a call back to the combat in the original Fallout games. For that, I enjoy using it immensely. Plus, its just all around entertaining.

The game can be completed without VATS on any difficulty level

But at no point can any opponent use VATS against the player.

VATS = Easy Mode Button

Other than that hey its a single player game, you play it how you want to so what.