Is VATS just an auto critical?

Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:05 am

Gearbox is triple A?

TIL.

No, I mean like Skyrim. I mean GTA. I mean a battlefield game. I mean a halo release. I mean a WoW expansion. I mean another Assassin's Creed game.

If you really think it only means they plan to spend too much money on it, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You're entirely wrong and despite me giving you evidence proving that, you'll cover your ears and spout the same thing.

Triple A games aren't cheap to make. Why on earth would anyone with half a mind put out a triple A game making use of one of the most unpopular combat systems?

You'd be burning money.

The people running these things enjoy making money, believe it or not. If it was profitable to make a AAA game and have it be turn based, they would do it.

Has anyone done it yet? No? Point proven.
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Daniel Brown
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:47 pm

That's not helping. I've played Assassin's Creed, and most of the rest. WoW I played for 18 minutes on a free trial. They'd have to pay me to play that game any further. All it is is budget and advertising. Money doesn't ensure a good game; and good games aren't needed to make money.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:26 pm

Budget and advertising.

I'm sorry, what did you expect money to do?

I mean, are you even thinking about what you're typing?

More money = bigger budget = a more ambitious game. You can keep the game in development longer, and thus work on it longer, as well as pay your employees more and hope that's some incentive to do a better job. You could make anything with enough money.

Also, I never said money is needed to make a good game. Some indie games are amazing.

When you're releasing a AAA title you need a lot of money because your market is huge. You're investing tons of money into this, and you need a lot of people to buy it.

Guess what a lot of people won't buy? A turn based AAA title. How do we know this? There hasn't been one yet.

It works for small titles like xcom, but xcom doesn't have a large market.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:27 am

Not two posts ago, you said I was wrong; and now you agree and imply that it was self evident all along. "I mean, are you even thinking about what you're typing?"

This is never guaranteed, and a lot of people wish that that last bit was truth, but it's not.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:03 pm

The post in question you said it was only about advertising.

Good effort though. Really nice try but I'm too smart for that, sorry.

Unless you go back and edit your original post, in which case this is just embarrassing. For you.

Bonus round: You conceded the budget point, which is good because it means you're learning, but I'm not sure what else you think money can do for you when you're trying to make a form of entertainment. Do you expect it to make your coffee or something?
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:18 am

Thank you for that comment. :wink: It's golden.

I almost always go back and edit my posts; but not this time.

*What is it about advertising that doesn't mean Budget to you?
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:48 am


which all fine and dandy for studios who focus on such games, but beth doesnt, hense as long as the Fallout is in beth hands, its never gonna be anything but a beth game, even if turn based had a upswing lately.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:01 am


Post I was talking about.

My enlightening post was pointing out that it means more than advertising; it signifies a large budget and all the perks having more money to throw at a game means.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:46 am

Beth shouldn't have optioned a game they don't do. It's the best way to earn enmity from the game's fanbase.

Advertising implies a large budget, no?

As for the perks... All the money in the world doesn't help a poor design, if that's what the company wants to make.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:23 am


Yet fallout 3 was a huge success (the best fallout game in the series according to critics) and they are now going on to make another one.

You were saying something about angering the fans? I'm sorry what?
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:57 pm


correction, some of the fanbase. Other like me welcomed it.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:43 am

And yet it proves to be meaningless as most AAA titles come off as dull, boring snore-fest mostly because the tread on the 'safety' line of video gaming, barely trying anything new in the department. Why? Because it sells. Ramp up the ads enough, make it pretty, and it'll sell to any idiot on the street. Destiny comes to mind when I think of "AAA" games.

When Fallout 3 was announced, it was most likely focusing on the action, the sudden 'leap' from 2D isometric to 3D the 'muh gurdy envuronment' and that sold like hotcakes. Yes, it did piss off a lot of people to the point controversy spewed out about it being the worst Fallout game in the series (I wouldn't be that harsh, BoS comes to mind as the worst IMO).

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:14 am

So is McDonalds. ~(I hate that argument, but it's just too apt.)

The problem with AAA titles is that they MUST please an unrealistically large fanbase ~and they can't. They are trying to hit several targets at once, and sell to everyone; but they cannot hit the bullseye for any one of them without missing the others; so they compromise, and http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/Gizmojunk/FO3_Arrow_to_the_Knee.jpg, being just tolerable enough to be passable to all.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:54 pm

You mean this franchise that provides a good meal to people of any income is successful? What a shocker! Though I'm not sure what it has to do with video games?

If you're going to make a point, you should get around to it quickly.

Edit: oh, yet these triple A titles are considered amazing by most critics. Skyrim, for example, one of the best received games ever. GTA 5 being the second coming of video games in terms of sales.

How is this just tolerable to most exactly? When they are widely considered some of the best works produced?

There is nothing wrong with triple A titles. Only in people who seem to think gaming should remain a small industry. Artist generally like sharing their work, and video games are art. Why should they hit a small market when they can share their vision with the world?

Sounds like a very childish and selfish thing to say, in my enlightened opinion.

Expanding on "good" meal. I'm not partial to it but many people enjoy McDonald's. You can eat there and still lead a healthy lifestyle as well. Though I'm still not sure what it has to do with a video game? If anything you kind of helped my stance out, so thank you.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:36 am

Thank you again for those comments. I couldn't have hoped for better. :thumbsup:

McDonalds has sold the most food, but I can't imagine anyone [alive] that would endorse them as selling the best food.
Mass sales do not equal quality. There is a movie about this: (But Youtube has a content warning on it, so I cannot link it.)

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:27 am

No problem.

Anytime you want a quick lesson, just open another topic and I'll be more than glad to help.

So far I've done it concerning the crit meter, and we even moved on to what a budget allows and why triple A titles are the way they are.

Curious about anything else? Oh, it seems capitalism is something else you aren't too well versed in.

This is good, I'll teach you about that while I'm here too!

In a capitalism society, people buy what they like and this tells the guys making it that they really like what they are doing, so they'll continue to make the product.

A lot of people buy McDonald's. Clearly they are doing something right by making and good tasting, affordable meals that aren't terribly healthy if you watch what you eat.

Unless you're proposing that people buy McDonald's despite not liking the food, in which case I have to ask how are they so successful then? That would be the same as millions of people buying GTA but hating it. It's nonsense.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:47 pm

Much Obliged. I have learned.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:46 am

For me, it's all coming back to the Quixotic action of..... despite being aware of both Bethesda's distinct history of games and being aware of FO3 in particular, you're claiming that you're so disappointed because you were expecting FO4 to be like 1 & 2. Which ranks right up there with expecting, oh, the sun to rise in the West tomorrow morning. :bonk:

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As for games..... yeah, I played Fallout 1 back in the day. Good game. I've played Wasteland 2 & Divinity:Original Sin. Good games. But I also played & enjoyed FO3 & NV. As well as several years of WoW. Also good games.

(I'll admit that I'm not interested in Pillars of Eternity, since it seems to be going for a "return of Baldur's Gate" vibe, and I just wasn't able to enjoy Baldur's Gate 1. Had to claw my way through Dragon Age:Origins, as well. Due to game mechanics in both cases..... I prefer full turn-based when playing isometric party RPGs.)

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I don't necessarily subscribe to the view, but I've seen plenty of arguments over the years from "RPG purists" who don't consider games like Diablo/Torchlight/etc to be RPGs (ditto with JRPGs). And I'll admit I've been a bit surprised when I've seen people talk about the Deus Ex games as RPGs.

(and yes - I've enjoyed the heck out of all sorts of ARPGs and JRPGs over the years. :tongue: I do kinda miss when Final Fantasy was still turn-based instead of super-action-button-masher, though.)

...oh, and Primate? For what it's worth :teehee: , Borderlands 2 seems to be considered a AAA game. Which would make Gearbox a AAA dev. :shrug:

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:58 am

Aliens colonial marines was not a AAA release.

Most of the budget actually went to borderlands.

This is coming from an AMA from a verified employee at SEGA.

Edit: Employee was actually from SEGA. They funded colonial marines.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:31 pm

Considering they're responsible for the Borderlands series, I'd say yes they are.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:46 am

Add Brothers in Arms on top of that. Its also Gearbox and their step up to AAA games.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:55 am

Best of luck attempting to model that lottery drawing in such a way as to guarantee 100% success in predicting the results.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:37 am

The part of the discussion I was responding to was the claim that there is no market for turnbased games. Which is of course patently and demonstrably false. Nobody expects Bethesda to make a turnbased game, they have their own formula - that one single recipe - for making what they make. (Though they could - if they wanted to - outsource such to some other studio since they seem to have something of a streak for low key publishing - Rogue Warrior, Wet, Brink, Rage, Demons Forge, etc).

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:59 am

You know a genre's dead when the most successful turn based game in the past few years is hearthstone.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:35 am

:P You just keep enjoying your three A's and all will be well.

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