Vats Pause or slow mo?

Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:52 am

I think it would've been better if you could 'charge up' the VATS targeting, letting you spend additional time and AP to get a better chance to hit even a distant target.

Maybe make VATS drain AP constantly while active but being more accurate, giving you less time to aim and decide but still being useful as the 'careful shot' method instead of the rapid reflexes FPS method.

It just seems like a lackluster mid-way point currently, I'd prefer if it was just straight up AP->Bullet Time instead of an annoying VATS wannabe.

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Killer McCracken
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:25 pm

Time and APs are supposed to be one in the same. I gather it's not now. :sadvaultboy:

This sounds like a good idea, and perhaps an improvement ~seeing how it is currently.
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Tanya Parra
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:11 pm

Uhhhh.... what? How much did you play Fallout 3 or New Vegas? You could snipe things in VATS from MILES away. not "thirty feet".

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Davorah Katz
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:01 pm

I think this refers to FO4 specific.
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Rachel Eloise Getoutofmyface
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:57 pm

This pretty much. Using V.A.T.S against the Mirelurk Queen, I was cringing at how many of my missiles went wailing past her by a wide margin, due to under pressure quick select of target zones. I was picking very low success shots in my panic to fire off before hatchlings swarmed over me. Good pressure tactic.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:46 pm

Yeah I was specifically referring to FO4, where it seems that distance is the primary variable and Perception is a distant second.

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keri seymour
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:30 pm

Slow-mo is more fun, I prefer it.
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Jade Muggeridge
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:12 pm

Definitely pause time (or for the dog, PAWS time hehe).

The reason being that I can set up my shot and wait until the stats give me better than 60% of a hit as they are coming towards me. Also no shooting of pillars because of the time you took in Fallout 3 to enter the command and then fire meant the enemy moved behind a barrier and your shot/action point gets wasted. Now I never waste action points. Slomo is definitely a superior system.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:40 pm

@Gizmo

If you go back and read reviews, forums, etc, from the release of Fallout 3, you'll see that, indeed, VATS was the compromise between turn-based Fallout 1 and 2 and real time combat of Fallout 3 for those who played the original two. I'd link articles or copy the quotes but it doesn't like it for some reason.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:49 pm

It's called that ~sure; but it really isn't; that's plain from direct examination of how it works. VATS does not imitate turns, it imitates the aimed shots in Fallout. It's a feature that alludes to turn based gaming ~for people that probably haven't played the original turn based games. It really has nothing to do with turn based gameplay, the only thing it has in common is the delay (which has nothing to do with turns).
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:27 pm

Problems is that now you cannot make choices anymore.

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Angus Poole
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:57 pm

i have no problems making choices

i can easily switch between body parts and targets.

i just need to do it quickly rather than sitting there for ages in some sort of elder scrolls time bubble, mulling over my choices for all eternity.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:49 pm

I actually liked more to use paused vats at short distance instead of open bullet time at range then having to wait, wait and wait before being able to pull the headshot without being hit.

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Mark Churchman
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:55 am

How?

Precision can go from 95% to 0% in seconds so when you are selecting the second or third target you won't hit the first at all.

And against non human targets it takes ages to target a specific body part because of the bad working targeting system (with a pad at least, I don't know how it works with a mouse).

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Jack Bryan
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:38 pm

....I'd figured the difficulty selecting body parts was because of the crappy console port, but if it svcks on controller as well, I guess not. Fortunately, there's a mod on Nexus that essentially fixes the slo-mo stupitidy.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:43 pm

Where?

Pretty please!

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Melly Angelic
 
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:00 pm

Much prefer paused. The new system is part of the design philosophy to make Fallout more of an action RPG, which I don't like.

The game still pauses when you activate the Pip-Boy so there's now an inconsistency.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:14 am

But see, that's the thing.... in the previous games VATS was used by/was for the people who didn't have the quick-twitch reflexes to do live combat. VATS was their way of managing combat when things got too hairy. So making FO4 VATS into "gotta do it quickly" kind of messes that up. :shrug:

(the few times I used VATS in FO3, it was for shooting targets that were moving in ways that I just couldn't manually target well - hyper melee animals bouncing all around my feet, or sniping raider guards who were pacing back and forth in annoying ways)

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:25 am

It's called 'Classic V.A.T.S. ' on the nexus: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/531/?tab=4&&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Ffallout4%2Fajax%2Fcomments%2F%3Fmod_id%3D531%26page%3D1%26sort%3DDESC%26pid%3D0%26thread_id%3D3391765&pUp=1

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:13 pm

Lets hope this is one of the mods that comes to console

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:31 pm

I like it to pause. There's a lot of fast paced games out there already, no reason that Fallout has to be one of them (in my opinion). But I also acknowledge that games need to follow the popular road to get sold. But fallout 4 is more shooter than the first two games in the same genre, and Im not sure I like the change.

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:27 pm

I generally hate all 'time-stops' in action games. Whether it's VATS or me stopping to eat 35 heads of cabbage. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. I much prefer the slow-mo VATS and I love that Stim-pac healing isn't instant.
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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:47 pm

Slow mo > Pause in my opinion

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Post » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:19 pm

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