I don't see the Synthetic theory working. But who knows. It's very imaginative though.

I think the child will suffer a strange fate though. If they're even alive.

Vault 111 serves a purpose. It is not just to place people(or Synthetics) into cryosleep. What is the reason for this? What is Vault 111's experiment. Any more theories...no?

I've already mentioned preservation of body being a possibility. With 112 being preservation of mind, letting the bodies rot as their minds are left to the experiment, why not 111 be about shutting down the mind and seeing how the body fairs after a couple hundred years.

Wait a minute didn't synths appear after the war?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Mel Gibson movie "Forever Young" where he was frozen during WWII and then accidentally thawed out 50 years later. During the movie his body began breaking down until eventually he rapidly aged until his body condition matched his chronological age, and not that of the young man he was when frozen.

I understand the difference between forum user fans and non-forum user fans, however when something is opposed to the extent that I've seen, it's a fairly good indicator that a significant if not the majority of the non forum user player base will have a similar if somewhat lesser reaction. As such I don't think most people would go 'Huh, that's a twist!' and keep playing. Regardless of what choices Bethesda makes, people will complain about it. However a change in who the player is actually playing is in an entirely different league in my opinion than not allowing Fawkes to go into a chamber. I've seen a rather mixed reaction to the voiced protagonist actually, but that's just what I've seen. "Downfall of the franchise" is a bit different than "somewhat more difficult". It's best not to exaggerate because someone has a different opinion.

Not buying this at all. There has got to be more than just "preservation" of this or that. Why was this or that needed for preservation is what need to be answered.

No, it is a fact. Inside Harkness is robotic parts. This is not the case with BR Replicants. It is comparing Apples to a Desk, they are not the same thing. It same ball park, but BR Replicants are way more advanced.

Also, FO3 is not written by Phillip K dike, so the Voight-Kompff test has nothing to do with FO3. I don't see Harkness showing any empathy in FO 3 btw, which is the ability to understand and share feelings of another. At one point in time does Harkness have an emotional response based upon another person's emotional response? Never that I can recall. It just all about him and his own personal escape. A robot is exactly what he is. An advanced robot, that looks like a person, who was implanted with a false history by Pinkerton.

Robots aren't people. That is all. *closes door behind him*

This is how i see it:

1. Vault 111 was never designed to be "lived" in. There is no living quarters or clinic or cafeteria.

2. V111 was sealed from the outside by the military after your placed in the vault.

3. "Events transpire" and you exit the Vault. I don't think it was ever breached. Except for a major malfunction what could have happened making you the sole survivor?

I know what the hell empathy is! I'm not wasting more time arguing with you. Jesus Christ....

Translation, Harkness shows no empathy, Harkness is a robot. Hooray, dilemma over, they aren't people!!!

We have seen a nonhuman PC before in Fallout. That is how the Enclave in FO2 viewed every person in the wasteland. To them they were just mutants, they weren't human. That is why they wanted them eradicated.

They're just experiments? I mean why would they put one guy in a vault with 999 women? What purpose did that serve other than a social experiment. Surely a test on how long the body lasts in crysleep could be usefull to them somehow

Wait what? I haven't played 2. We're a nonhuman? Or are you just saying that because that's how a, basically cult, views others?

The Enclave believed every person in the wasteland was a mutant because of long exposures to radiation and other toxins. They claim people of the waste are "mutants" and must be destroyed with Curling-13. Dr. Curling states "I don't see that there's much I need to talk about with a mutant. Soon, when real humans retake the planet for their own, you'll just be another unfortunate reminder of the war."

President Richardson says the same thing.

So.... you think that makes you nonhuman??

I'm saying that is how the Enclave in 2 viewed you. You were a mutant. Go play the game and see for yourself.

I don't need to lol you just explained it for me. And it clears up why you're so ademant about synths being considered human. "We have seen a nonhuman PC before in Fallout" no, no not at all. Someone CALLS you a nonhuman. What someone else's belief is doesn't inherently change your makeup. Same goes for synths. YOU may believe they're human, but that doesn't change the non organic insides.

I can't say I agree with the theory, my money is on us being...just a human. A plain old human.

To bad you haven't played Fallout 2, you missed out on much of the dialogue and innuendos in FONV.

Yeah no interest in playing that kind of game now. Maybe 15 years ago but not now. I tried playing Fallout and I just couldn't get into it. Everything was uninteresting to me. With the quality of graphics in games these days, dialogue alone can't keep me interested

YOU may belive they're human, but that doesn't change their impure DNA. - Enclave in Fallout 2.

You're missing the point the poster was trying to make. The Enclave determined humanity based solely on non-mutated DNA. It didn't matter if you were infected with the FEV or only had a 6th toe, the moment your DNA deviated from pure human, you are no longer considered human.

You're not seeing the parallels there? That your definition of humanity excludes a group of individuals because of something they don't have that "humanity" does, and as such, see them as something lesser who are, at best to be worked until they stop moving?

There's obviously a gap of info I'm missing, considering I did not play 2. I was under the impression the poster was saying that ANYONE that was not Enclave, was considered non human. I really don't see how you're making the comparison of a mutated human to a man made machine that thinks it is human. We have genetic mutations in society today and they are still considered human. But you're comparing that to something made on a [censored] production line....

The whole argument of the Enclave was that they belived themselves to be the last "pure" humans on Earth. Hence, non-Enclave people aren't human.

And considering that you can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that if something displays human-level awareness and intellegence, it might ethically deserve to have the rights of a human regardless of what it's made from or where it came from, there's little point in continuing this line of discussion.