I read about Vault 12, it said 'as intended by Vault-Tec, the doors did not entirely close when the bombs dropped. Creating the ghoul town of necropolis.'
Any reason why vault tec would do this? It just doesn't seem ethical.

Out of the 122 Vaults built all but 17 vaults were all for different experiments. Vault 12 was to see the effects of radiation on a population.

I can think of three that do not make sense to me.
Vault 68
Vault 69
and Vault 101

69 is there to see how a man would react left alone with women 999 of them. 68 the other way around.

I agree about Vault 101. Vault 13 was the only one meant to stay closed for a very long time. Then Vault 101 comes along and stays closed forever. I really doubt that the Enclave would care about that. One they want to rebuild the world, which means at some point they would have. So once america is rebuilt nice and new, why keep studying the Vault? They were to help get info to rebuild America.

Their Virus would have killed the people in Vault 101 anyways.

Considering, if you read terminal entries around the Capital Wasteland at least in old office buildings and such, people worked in unethical conditions such as the possibility of an overhead turret gunning you down if it wasn't working properly, scientific experiments (such as those conducted at the Nuka Cola plant) used live human subjects...I don't think ethics were a big deal in the Fallout universe.

Well, the thing about Vault 101, its not that it was closed forever, you find out in "Trouble on the Homestead' that it was not closed, and that they had opened it before. Then by their own decisions they decided it was best for the younglings to close it forever. They have scouting reports proving they left the vault, not to mention they let the doctor in. Vault 101 did not have a clear experiment, I think I just disproved that.

Ethical, i dont think ethical was in their dictionary i think a circular went around saying that that word was banned, all presence of was to be expunged removed from the dictionary and or thesaurus and that the circular didnt exist because it contained the word ethical which was obviously not a real word or concept a bit like tyre and honour and colour i so love the red underline when i type the correct spelling.

I think Vault 101's experiment was not necessarily to study people living in a vault "indefintely" but to see how long they could stay in such an environment.

Turns out its over 200 years at least.

Wasn't the point of Vault 101 to study a small society being controlled by a powerful leader (overseer)?

Nope, it was supposed to be closed forever.

Vault 101 was a copy of Vault 13's experiment. Vault 13 was to stay closed for 200 years to study prolonged isolation. Vault 101 pretty much the samething but it was to never open. Two vaults with the same experiment, get going beth :thumbsup:

In Beth's defense you can't trust data from one experiment.

Yeah but then that would mean there is two vaults for each experiment out there which comes down to only 52.5 experiments. 122-17 / 2 = 52.5

Just easier to say Beth messed up.

Vault 101 was designed primarily to see how long a group could stay in isolation. As in Vault tec was hoping for results of 1000 years plus to gather data for long term space voyages. Vault 13's mission was to study prolonged isolation but cleary another goal (if not the main one) was to recolonize (3 GECKS were given to it) and therefore was more of a "control" vault than a true "experiment" vault.

Vault 101s populace was apparently never intented to recolonize (lack of a GECK) and was just supposed to stay there as long as they could under an absolutely powerful overseer (which the scientists hoped would be a very long time, longer than Vault 13 anyway, a lack of a GECK would motivate them to stay longer).

Makes sense to also have two "long term isolation experiments" going when that would be one of your primary concerns (space voyage was a goal in mind). Having 1 man and 999 women, for instance, was kind of a "ehh...lets try it once" kinda thing.

I don't think Beth messed up at all with 101. I thought it made sense. :shrug:

Both Vaults had the same goal. Prolonged Isolation. Going to Other plants Enclave plan was Van Buren and not canon. Vault 13 was given two Geck as most Vaults were to have Gecks but it then got one of Vault 8's gecks and Vault 13's water chips were sent to Vault 8.

What good is having a Vault stay closed for 1000 years if you are going to another planet or rebuild America?

What I think he is saying, is that they wanted to test it for extremely long term. 200 years is 200 years, but he is talking forever. Maybe like if it came down to the point where they had to launch little space vaults into the sky and live there. Forever, in WW4

The idea of going to other planets is just fan speculation. There is no Canon saying that was the point of the Vaults.

Having one closed for 200 years and then another to never open, just makes no sense. Its the same goal. I am sure the Enclave were hoping to have rebuilt America in 200 years. Once America is rebuilt in the image of the Enclave, why would they want a Vault that's still closed? So they can laugh at the Vault Dwellers?

None the less, I don't think it was ever supposed to be closed to ever, there is no real evidence telling us that other than a crazy overseer that wanted it to be that way

101 was actually to test an overseer with absolute authority in a sealed environment the probably just told the overseer that the vault was to test the Vault being sealed because the overseer knowing would compromise the experiment.

Citashuns pl0x

Overseers of Vault 13 had total power as well. I would assume most in other vaults did, hence overseer.

About 101: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vaults#List_of_known_Vaults says "Evaluation of performance of an omnipotent Overseer in a closed community" While http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_101#Background confuse me. How do they test the only one who know the truth? Were Vault-Tec testing his ability to lie?

I had always thought the experiments in the vaults were meant to make people leave.Most people,IMO, given the choice to stay in a nice snug and safe vault or head out into the unknown would stay in the vault.

The ability for others to accept the lie, and the effects of living in a contained location with no prospect of ever getting out.

Vault 69: It's what comes about when the Chairman of Vault Tek smokes a joint.

Vault 101: It's what comes about when the people who made Vault 13 filed the exact same experiment to the Chairman, switching the words 200 years to forever.