I agree, leave it how it is. I thought it was pretty funny. But I say believe what you want and let others decide for themselves, I think as ridiculous as it is it would be logical to keep it as canon.

No weapons, dark empty Vault. Vault meant for 1000 people populated by only 30? You have a panther running around. Panthers only food would be the inhabitants. It would be a fun experiment. It would be scary if the men were not smart enough to pull together to kill it. If the Panther started killing them off one by one, they would all be dead in a few months.


No. Fallout has a large basis of silly over the top reality. Why exactly do you think it should not be canon?

I think a lot of these Vault experiments are just useful illustrations to show how absolutely twisted, bizarre, and inherently Fascist AMerican society had become before the bombs fell. The more I learn about what pre-war society was like, the more I come to think that the nuclear holocaust was the best thing for humanity. The only way to start fresh and perhaps do something correct.

Because its clearly just a joke made by the Penny arcade guys. If we accept that, we have to accept there is a Time travelling gallireyan running around the fallout universe too (as a dematieralising police box is clearly visible in a FO1 encounter). We also have to accept the Guardian portal from Star Trek is also real, as is the gatekeeper from Monty Python and the holy grail.

Jokes should remain that, jokes, and never taken seriously.

It makes no sense from the vault behavioral experiment point of view. How exactly does that help prepare for post world colonisation?

Anyone not mauled to death is better suited for surviving? I quite easily accept the Penny Arcade vaults as canon, they don't seem any less deranged than the ones in Fallout 3. I mean, how useful is pumping a Vault full of hallucinogens?

Then again, I play 40K, so I'm used to contradicting lore that shifts on a whim.

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I don't really see where people get off on making themselves royalty and making declarations as to what is true or false. The whole thing was meant as a joke, DUH, but half of Fallout itself is a joke, and it incorperates pop culture references into the gameplay... But what is in gameplay IS canon. Even if it's over the top it's still IN the game, and with the Puppet Man's suit IN gameplay then it IS real and IS canon. And even if you don't believe that, fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't tell other people what is right or wrong unless you get it from the developers. :nono:

How does having 54 clones of man named Gary help prepare for post war colonisation? Especially when theyre all homicidal maniacs who can only say their name?

Or pumping a vault full of crazy gas?

Anyway, the Vaults werent designed for helping them recolonise, or anything. It was to try and gain test data for how people would cope in any sort of situation when they launched them into space to find another planet.

Is the best way to restart civilisation via a cloned stock? The lack of inteligence was clearly by accident.

Cabin Fever is likely to be a real problem in colonisation. would a halluncegenic help ease things?

They were designed to help recolonise - By providing said test data you alluded to.

A Panther sneaking on board a colonisation ship is hardly a threat worthy worrying about, espeically when you only have 120-odd tests you can run.

The original idea probably was to learn how to clone people, and thus make the colonisation MUCH faster.
The Garies (sp?) just happened to break loose and massacre everyone else.

If 108 was a success, it could have easily thrived in the wasteland.

They are dumb because they were never taught to speak. They were intented as test subjects. Gary Rebellion began when they tried to exterminate Gary population to start reproducing real humans.
Gary army won, and left with no schooling, no teaching and no sense of reality.

You are right, but they could not test for how the crew would react to say an alien slipping on board... Or a robot going crazy... You work with what you have.

You have to remember the very last thing that was said in the comic dudes... It was just social experimentation. Not all vaults were made to save people, there was probably hidden camera's in the crazier vaults for entertainment for others. Vault dweller's all over the world checkin' out vault 69 :woot: , and the "vault of hallucination" for laughs.

Maybe not alien, but they do have their share of crazy robots in Fallout.

Clearly Vault 43 is a back from the brink experiment. Designed to test and study whether a group of humans so reduced in number, with an uneven reproductive ratio, and with an external bestial threat preying upon them could overcome their situation and succeed.

Long term success would hopefully mean the cooperation of the group to eventually repopulate to a healthy and balanced society in subsequent generations. Short term success would simply be for the group to survive, and to prevent their own extinction at the hands of a beast of nature that happens to be preying upon the situation.

meh, big deal.

It can be considered canon, for the sole reason that the entire Fallout Universe is IMAGINED.

Whatever the folks that are getting paid to fill the canon, IMAGINE to be true, is in Fallout, True.

It doesn't make sense in our world, but then again, Fallout Universe isn't our world.

It isnt our world, thats true, so we need to change some of the assumptions/technology/sciences, but the basic building blocks: Logic, Reasoning, Scientific methods, Human nature, etc. All of these things are the same.

So?

In FO1, you could find a Stealth Boy in themiddle of a single gigantic dinosaur footprint.

In FO2, you could find a crashed Trek-ish shuttle, surrounded by dead guys in trek-style uniforms ... with red shirts.


THE VAULTS WERE NEVER MEANT TO PREPARE ANYONE FOR POST-HOLOCAUST SURVIVAL.

That part, Penny Arcade most assuredly did not make up.

Not looking at the Penny Arcade strips - how does Vault 29 (noone older than fifteen was allowed inside) make sense? How does a co-ed "Lord of the Flies" scenario prepare those kids, or THEIR kids, for recolonising the world?

How does purposefully arranging for Vault 12's door to NOT SHUT, exposing everyone to supposedly-lethal levels of radiation, prepare them for post-holocaust colonisation?

Or, Vault 68 ... 999 men, 1 woman. How does THAT prepare anyone to re-colonise the wastes?

How about Vault 70 - populated exclusively by prudish Mormons, and allthe clothing-manufacture equipment would fail within six months. How does THAT prepare them to recolonise the wastes?

Or Vault 42 ... all the lightbulbs were 40 watts, and dimmer. What purpose does THAT serve??

...

The Vaults were experiments, and their purpose was to explore human nature and psychology.

Vault 29: what happens when a bunch of kids and young teenagers are left to fend for themselves - knowing that the world has been destroyed, and everyone they knew is dead ... everyTHING they knew is destroyed ... and noone is going to come rescue them ...?

Vault 12: how do people deal with knowing they are going to all die a slow, unpleasant death, affect their day to day behavior in the meantime? (The joke being on Vault-tec, of course, since everyone went POOF into Ghouls, instead).

Vault 68 (and vault 69, incidentally): what happens when a population has an unsustainable gender imbalance. In this case, with only one female, able to bear children.

Vault 70: what happens to a devoutly religious population, when circumstances conspire to offend their religion's sense of morality and propriety? Can they adapt, or do they self-destruct?

Vault 42: how well could people adapt to living in a dim, darkened world - without the benefit of "bright, cheery lights" ...? How rampant does fear of the dark become ... or do they become afraid of bright light, instead?

Well, I think they just ended up making makeshift clothes for themselves. And according to Van Buren, this was one of the most successful Vaults, leading to New Canaan.



I think you misunderstood. It wasn't meant to prepare the vault dwellers for post-holocaust colonization, but the Enclave, who could learn from the results of these experiments.

Which means we now have to accept Godzilla as being canon in the Fallout universe?


That proves to me that you didnt read my post... Or didnt read it correctly, Because I never said they did... Heck, your quote shows it, I said it makes no sense from the vault behavoural experiment point of view. If you read my other posts, they repeat it!

Godzilla, no.

Something able to make that one - singular, without any others nearby - footprint? Yes. How or why is a mystery, of course (I favor the idea of the stealth boy malfunctioning and causing a brief dimensional overlap from wherever that gigantic creature WAS, and where the poor sod who turned it on was standing, in the wastes).


You asked, and let me quote again:



That is what I was responding to, first and foremost.

For someone who accuses others of not reading the post they're replying to, you're awfully gulty of that very sin. Why don't you respond to the WHOLE of my post, hmm? You know, all those lines of text AFTER teh all-caps declaration you've chosen to harp upon, instead?


Well yes, that was actually my entire point. Agent_C appears to be under the misapprehension that the Vault Experiment somehow involved preparing the inhabitants for life in the wastes. Which, obviously, was never the case.

You seem to be labouring under the missaprehension I ever said that. I havent.

Try reading my posts again. Let me give you a hint - Post 33.



That one is the most specific post in this thread suggesting that. If you check the thread on the consipiracy theroy, you'll see I even said it more specificly detailing the pruposes behind the vault behavoral thread.

I dont mind people being "smart" on boards, thats why they're here, but I expect you to not put words into peoples mouth when they clearly have said the opposite in the same thread.

Your own words, Sir or Madame:



Try reading your own posts again, and let me give you a hint: Post 29, Paragraph three, sentence two ... precisely as quoted above.


I'm not putting words in your mouth; YOU PUT THEM THERE YOURSELF.

Actually, he was referring to the data from this experiment being useless to the Enclave for their colonization, not to the vault dwellers.

Perhaps my words werent clear... I didnt say that, nor did I mean to imply it. World Colonisation is, colonising a world. Post apocolypse colonisation would be to colonise the wastes. If you want to fixate on one tiny ambigious statement, that is clearly shown in another post to mean something else, posted before your post, then I guess you win.

Maybe it's a Euro thing, but Colonize is spelled with a z, FYI.

On-topic:

Who cares? They're marketing comics, I would hardly think they were real official cannon, but even if you want to consider them that, it's not like the break anything. Just move on.

Colonize is American spelling, colonise British spelling. Both are equally correct.