How do the healers actually cure diseases? Not through dialogue?

I was (mostly) joking

Dunno. Books on cures -> Different cures or each disease -> Too much work. I wouldn't mind adding one on the diseases themselves, but that would serve little purpose without cures. Still, I'm willing to do it if someone volunteers to do the legwork ( writing the book ).

Thoughts on the malady market ? I plan to add items to Shady Sam and the DB Khajitt that will let you induce diseases. However, I'm mostly iffy on how I'm going to do it.

Through dialog. I was referring to the extra work Rowan's suggestion would require in that post.

Well, good luck with this shadeMe. It's a much needed mod, and I'm sure the update will be great.

I'm glad someone is making a mod like this. Brings more realism to Oblivion. Can't wait.

Great news ! Vector 0.2 has been finalized and moved into the beta phase. Those that opted to test it will be receiving a link to the latest build shortly. Initial feedback has been encouraging, at the very least - With the exception of an issue or two, the mod seems to be quite stable.

The only thing, besides testing, that remains is OBSE 18's final release. Thankfully, that should fix the only (major)bug the mod is currently afflicted with. Vector 0.2 will probably remain in beta until v18's release. Anyone interested in testing can PM me.

Here's the feature list from the readMe :

Looking forward to this!!!
One question though, will the new release make diseases more deadly as well instead of the usual 'I will get a cure once I see one' vanilla way.
Pestilant Afflictions is a mod which does this, but unfortunately, you catch a disease from every creature you fight...

With Vector, you can catch diseases just as often, and less frequently as an argonian or such. They will also get deadlier each day, and worsen in magnitude (but this is configurable, along with many other options). You can no longer cast a bunch of cure disease spells and drink potions, and the chapel altar won't heal your diseases anymore. You'll have to pay a priest to heal you, and you can only get healed as much as their skill in restoration allows (cost is configurable). You can get diseases from being attacked by creatures, talking to peasants, buying from infected merchants, or even just walking in a sewer. Depending on the magnitude of your pestilences, you will cough, clutch your tummy, and maybe even faint for a moment (fully configurable). If your disease stages rise high enough to get attention from the legion, the guards will warn you to get cured or be killed (don't worry, this is configurable).

There are many, many things I haven't mentioned, but the answer to your question is yes. Your diseases will be deadlier, easier to recieve, harder to get rid of, and spread amongst the masses like wildfire. Are you ready to get sick? :yuck:

the new beta sounds fantastic

Do people in this mod happen to have immune systems? o.o

Yes, all Resist Disease, Weakness to Disease, and related have been taken into consideration and placed into Vector's equations. Even better, this mod has new functions which allow both player and NPC to gradually build immunity to diseases they've had before. So yes, there is a functional immune system for the player and all NPCs--so long as they live long enough.

Can their natural immune system fight a disease off that they catch?

I caught the swine flu. It kicked my ass. Gradually, my immune system fought it off though, and now I'm better.

No. A way to replicate this in the game would be to shorten the amount of time an actor (or the player) has the disease based on Resist Disease and acquired immunities. In order to be efficient and keep from being messy, the mod checks disease every 24 hour period for each disease, regardless of what it is, severity, resistances, etc. That's how it is in Vector v0.2 so far anyway. ShadeMe's the main coder, so any suggestions for the mod go to him.

Also, I'm sorry for your ill experiences. Not our mod's fault though. We are responsible for your in-game ills however. :hehe:

I really am enjoying 10Cent's replies It's nice to see someone else doing the talking, for a change.

The current immunity mechanism does its checking when an actor contracts a new disease. If he/she/it resists it, the disease is dispelled immediately. I could replace that with a function that at a trickle rate to acquired immunity. Thoughts ?

Thanks for the complement! As for the new function, it would be interesting. It may complicate situations by giving the player a disease when they normally would resist it, but since it would be affected in magnitude or duration (both?), it probably won't be as severe. It's worth a shot, since argonians have a hefty resistance, and vampires are quite content trudging through sewers getting nipped by rodents and such. This will certainly allow more participation from them. On the downside, NPC implementation seems orderly now with the configurable automatic wellness time, and implementing a time-based function would shake things up. Best introduce another multiplier for magnitude--after all, the heterozygote advantage of sickle cell anemia doesn't stop the moment the person in question contracts malaria; rather, it speeds recovery! :nerd:

Loving this as always.

question.

will there be immunities/ greater/lesser disease effects on the different vanilla races?

Nope. The mod's implementation doesn't allow such a segregation.

I'm liking what I see, except for one minor detail: Why don't chapel altars heal diseases? It's divine energy - it should immediately cure any and all afflictions you've got. Don't forget that you can't use them if your infamy is too high - villain PCs will have to rely on healers anyway.

Well, that's mostly because that way of curing diseases seemed a bit too easy.

Agreed. It defeats all purposes of a disease engine if they could all be cured by walking through a door and activating an altar to get rid of diseases accumulated through hours of wreckless dungeon rushing. Then you could just go from chapel to chapel repeatedly to cure all your ailment after each altar used. By the time you've caught a disease for your 30th time that day and gone to an altar to heal all of your conditions yet again, all the altars will respawn. This too soft, nothing like those classic RPGs of yesteryear.

This mod aims to make the world of Oblivion much darker, similar to the Middle Ages in Europe. Now instead of chugging those magical bottles in your inventory or running to the chapels like a kid with a scraqed knee crying for their mother, you'll actually need to suffer for hours and regret sleeping in the sewer next to that dead vampire or getting bitten by that rat. When you play Vector v0.2, misery will be everywhere while solutions will be almost nil. This mod isn't for the weak.

Okay, it could be if you tweak the INI values to make things easier, but this should only be for the teething young of the gaming community. Trust me, the mod will be more fun even though it's definitely more difficult. It's currently being debugged in beta though, so hold tight.

Can't wait for version 2 of this mod! Can you explain the new visual symptoms? I'm excited to see this in action.

I did have version 1 installed as well as OBGE, but I ran into a problem. My character contracted "Helljoint" from a monster, but I couldn't find that listed in any effects in my magic menus, and my character didn't really look worse at all. I waited for 3 in game hours, and I still didn't see any visual effects- and then my game crashed about 10 seconds later. Do you know what I did wrong, and was this just the game crashing for some other reason?


EDIT: Just thought of this: could it be a compatibility issue with Realistic Health? I have that one installed with OBGE, and alongside Vector. Realistic Health does add visual effects already... so could Vector be conflicting?

I posted a couple of screenshots sometime ago - I believe they are in page 7. I'd like to clarify one thing : Vector 0.1 does nothing but allow diseases to transfer both ways. No extras. Most of the features, including the visual symptoms, of 0.2 are new.

As for your bug, I'm not sure. Install ConScribe and see if you can reproduce the bug. If you can, post the console log here.

Vector's visual symptoms won't conflict with Realistic Health's per se. There may however be unintended visual effects. You might want to disable RH's shader in the mod's INI file.

Ah- I actually remember seeing those and commenting on them. Guess I forgot at the time.

Thanks for clarifying that, I was a bit confused. Sorry about that. I'll see what I can do about the bug, but I'm not a very experienced bugtester of any sort. This is entirely new ground for me.

When are you expecting to release o.2? Or is that a dumb question to ask?

It's still in testing. The moment the last features get added on and Vector v0.2 is fully tested for bugs, it will be released. As for the features present in v0.2, check the first page where shadeMe puts down all the features. The mod is being tested on both an empty installation and one with 200+ plugins running simultaneously.



Vector v0.2 shouldn't conflict with Realistic Health in terms of OBGE shaders, but with both mods applying shaders at once, your screen could get very cluttered very quickly. The new release of Vector has a togglable INI value which allows users to turn off the effects if it gets problematic. Though obvious, you'll definitely suffer disease-related penalties more often while using Realistic Health since you'll catch more diseases more often.

Update: I playtested the Realistic series to come to a conclusion: v0.2 release of Vector is fully compatible, but very much not recommended for the stock settings in Realistic Health and Realistic Fatigue. Your fatigue values will get drained frequently with the new diseases, so you should decrease fatigue related penalties for both mods. As for disease handling in Realistic Health, it was made with the assumption that you'd rarely get a disease, which means it was never intended to be used with full effect when accompanied with mods like Vector. Realistic Health's disease handling also doesn't show on NPCs, so your character will soon be on the floor while all the hostile NPCs are wailing on you with weapons. I recommend setting Realistic Health's disease symptoms to begin a day after stage 3 disease symptoms in Vector, since when the two mods combine these effects become very brutal and generally mean death/stuck on the floor. The shaders also collide, making the screen too cluttered when the RH disease shaders kick in.

ShadeMe, have you forgotten about this?

Au contraire, ami -The testing process is going swimmingly. As a matter of fact, I've released nearly 5 more revisions of the mod to the testers since it entered beta.