If we're going to take an animal's life for food, we should do it with teeth and nails, and eat the stuff raw. I think Valkry may be trying to make this point, but I'm not sure. One of the reasons I'm vegetarian. I think, if we are to dictate what becomes of some other living creature, it should be done in fairness, not mass produced. And I don't want to do that. So I'm not going to eat it. Some people have no problem eating it. I don't like that. But I keep it to myself. A lot of activists would have more success if they changed the focus to be on making differences in indistry practices, not abusing people who eat meat, that is not constructive.
I like "vegetarian mince" because it's delicious and I can make burger patties and nachos with it. I haven't founf anything else as good to make nachos with. It's not a matter of pretending to eat meat, it's a matter of being able to make a nice meal with the stuff.

And to all the people reading this thread- just remember, not all vegetarians are preachy, annyoing types. Some of us do just want to keep our opinions to ourselves, and you keep yours. Claiming you love meat can be horribly upsetting, even if, for some reason, you think it's totally, knee-slappingly hilarious. And, quite often, being vegetarian svcks because you're bombarded from both ends. Vegans often think you're not doing enough and are just as bad as a meat eater, and meat eaters immediately start going on at you to start eating meat.
I had a lady at work sneer at me in utter contempt, because she claimed I'd have to take supplements when I had children, I agreed, it being the easiest option, and her reply? "Oh, yeah I wonder what all the chemicals in those would do to your baby?" This was simply because I didn't eat the pasta that had bacon in it. I sat quietly, ate a muffin, politely declined the pasta saying, "I am a vegetarian." That is all. And she felt the need to treat me with contempt over something like that. Grrr.

I don't drink the blood of the animals I eat, nor do I make a smoothie out of the meat to drink. Therefore, I am true to my avatar and I don't drink friends. :happy:

*goes to mirror and sees canine teeth*
... I think your argument just fell apart, people are omnivores, we can eat meat or plants, thats how our bodies are built, if they werent we wouldnt be eating meat in the first place.

Sorry but how arent our bodies designed too ?
Also about tools, animals use them too, some finches take sharp sticks, or needles crom a cactuas or something along those lines, to catch grubs, other animals crack things open with rocks. Animals eat other animal, animals use tools, people are no exception.


Why because otherwise its not "natural" ? Already pointed out the tools thing secondly, I think an animal say a sheep, would suffer alot more if to kill it I had to rip its throat out with my teeth ( I wouldnt like the wool in my mouth either, or blood).
As for eating it raw some people do it raw meat, some just like it cooked first for taste and safety. I bet you dont just eat veg with dirt still on it, just because its natural and untouched by humans.

We aim to please.

The thread has gone reasonably well, with the obvious exceptions, but that is to be expected.

I am not vegetarian or vegan but I respect the choice made by those that are and certainly would not ridicule that choice either publicly or privately. If someone is able to maintain their health who are we to decide what they eat?

I think that lady on the radio was crazy haha. I'm not a vegetarian or vegan, but I probably would be if I could (and didn't love meat so much), just for moral reasons. I decided to compromise by only buying organic/free range meat though, because if I didn't eat meat I would be sickly skinny.

Tell me where this person is so that I can punch her.
Seriously. That's... wow, that's just staggeringly rude. My sympathies.



I'll get the mulch! : D

I'll get the Synbiodinium algae!

People are very very weird and when 1 claims they are vegetarian another claims they aren't. Heard some people saying they are vegetarians and yet heard another person saying they aren't because they eat cheese. If those people really get up in arms about things they should take a look at themselves and ask how many bacteria they are killing by washing their hands or wiping down a counter top.

Course i'm not gonna say anything since i'm an omnivore/carnivore liking meat. However I stay away from beef since I don't like the taste of it.

Going back to lactose tolerance in this thread, certain cultures have evolved to tolerate lactose after childhood. Not just tools, our bodies are physically designed to metabolize lactose, after thousands of years of evolution.

Oh and the tools vs. evolution thing... humans are an intelligent species, so I consider the evolution of technology to be considered perfectly natural. Humans as a species aren't likely to evolve any further anyways, because we overcome any troubles with our technology instead of adapting to it naturally.

Well that's priceless.

amen brother, while i respect people's opinions and personal choices. If you were in the wild and came across a hungry bear, its dinner time ( for the bear ) so i would counter and have a Bear sandwitch or something.... I don't know :thumbsup:

The problem, as usual, is when they jump all over other people for not being a vegan. You know... "I can't believe you're eating that, don't you ever think of the poor baby chickens and what they do to them?" "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8UWgufUIv0"

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"You monster!"

It's really unfair, honestly... You don't usually see everyone else telling vegans they need to eat meat...

Sarcasm, right?

We've also been designed to evolve, and with the ability to self evolve. Hahahahah. :rofl:

Yes and no. I know several vegans and they don't tell me what I should/should not eat. However, there are those out there that do.

I still find it odd that some vegans feel the need to try to "convert" meat-eaters, yet meat-eaters usually don't try to "convert" vegans...

@Valkry: We're omnivores and as such we need nutrients that can be found in meat, such as protein. Of course this can be found in foods other than just meat, but I'd rather have a plate of bacon than soy beans any day. :shrug:

Point is, eating meat is natural for humans just like eating veggies is.

We haven't been "designed" and we don't have the ability to "self evolve", whatever the hell that meant.

Your being too literal on both accounts. Though I agree we haven't literally been designed by some entity (devil's advocate, we can't know this at this point or we could. Gets complicated). Also yes we do have the ability to self evolve, but most people aren't aware of this or do not even want to get into it. For example the concept of trans humanism, but that is probably not a good topic for this forum so let's drop it. There is also another method, but I won't mention it. I don't agree with it.

http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/amazing/genetic-engineering-cartoon.gif :unsure:

Self evolution could be considered the ability to adapt to a given environment, which do can do. Heck, I've seen it first hand this past week with all the snow that dumped on the south.

Well, every group has a bit of derpiness (cough-PETA-cough). I say live and let live: I don't tell you what to eat, so don't tell me what to eat.

I'm not sure what's that supposed to mean. :huh:

Speaking of "self evolution", that construction is itself an obviously nonsensical oxymoron because a single individual of a species doesn't and cannot evolve.

In short I can understand vegetarians in some ways, but veganism can be a bit too much. The meat industry can be overly cruel so it's understandable if someone chooses not to support it, but as someone who has grown up around farmers and animals I find it a bit challenging to grasp the concept of not drinking milk or eating cheese because it's supposedly inhumane to the animal in some way. But everyone to his own. Such diet choices are only a problem for me if the practitioners make them a problem.

Yeah, the last time I treid that it got locked. Said I was being "elitist".

I think you misunderstood me completely. My point was that, if a human wants to eat an animal, they should have to hunt it. I simply stated that I think perhaps Valkry may be trying to make this point, and I said that is why I am vegetarian. The slaughter process is abhorrent. I never said meat eating is abhorrent. I have no problem with people eating meat. I have a serious problem with the slaughter industry. Please do not start trying to mock me when you don't even have a clue what it is about me you're trying to mock.

...But I don't want to be assimilated by the Combine. ;3;

Why should we hunt it exactly ? Giving it a chance ? Really chickens wont have any chance in the wild, and the only thing that changes is hunting takes longer/wastes time, not to mention I will likely have a pissed off farmer at my door on about how I killed one of his animals. Yes because I am sure that animals dying in the wild is much less painless, starvation, stress, then a wolf tears at their throat. Really saying about how they suffer less is made pointless by the fact we keep them alive and fit (if you buy free range anyway) so really they live better than animals in the wild. And I am not trying to mock anyone.
Also how is hunting any better ? You could miss only injure the animal then it gets to enjoy slowly bleeding out, in agony. Either way its going to get hurt the animal.