I disagree, ive seen far more instances of meat eaters forcing their opinions on others than i have seen of vegans doing the same.

Obviously there are preachy vegans out there, im not doubting that. It just works both ways.

Find yourself a local farmer who takes care of his/her animals properly and you don't have to worry about that. And I personally like the idea of hunting your own food, but from what I've seen you can face a lot more opposition if you get the meat yourself rather than buying it in a neat package at the store.

I have seen this as well, it’s not cool when people do this. I once brought some soy beans to work as a snack and when certain people saw me eating them they freaked out and made statements along the lines of: “But I’ve seen you eat meat!!”

On the other side of the spectrum I had a complete stranger walk up to me in the store to tell me that I shouldn’t be buying the brand of chicken I had in my basket. I asked why, thinking there had been a recall or something. He told me that this company killed it’s chickens inhumanely. I’ve been to my share of slaughter houses, I like sausage and I have seen how it’s, I’m not squeamish about what goes on, but I was curious as to what made the mass slaughter of chickens at one company more/less humane than at another. With absolute deadpan seriousness he looked me in the eyes and said: “They throw the chickens against the wall and then step on them!”

I said Thanks and smiled and walked away so as not to be rude and laugh hysterically in his face. All this proves is that there are people on both side who should keep their mouths shut but don’t. Though in a lot of cases that I've seen the meaties gang up on the lone veggies not to convert or ridicule but to find out more about how and why and what happens when, but it's often done in such a hamfisted way that the person feels attacked.

I eat what tastes good, after my last physical the doctor told me that my numbers were text book perfect and joked that I should get a refund. So I’ll keep eating the way I do and everyone else is free to do the same.

Why should we hunt things? That's slow, inefficient, and bad for progress to be stuck hunting your own food. We're wasting our own time by gathering food ourselves, so why not have a specialized part of the economy that raises animals and slaughters them? It let's everyone else specialize in other tasks, increasing our overall efficiency.

Animals don't often starve in the wild. They suffer much less stress because it occurs faster. Yes, it hurts them. Of course dying hurts. You've, once again, missed my point.
I can keep arguing this but it's just going to end up some sort of spam fest. Unless we plan on arguing until we get the thread locked, then we should just agree to disagree. This is going nowhere.



I'm not sure, but I think in New Zealand here it's fine to hunt for your own meat, but selling it to butchers is where it gets complicated. The commercial production of meat sure has created a lot of problems. And, since I have to, I'm going to make it clear that I'm not blaming meat eaters but the mass production of meat.



Heh, to be honest I have to physically restrain myself a lot of the time from telling people what their meat actually goes through. When you feel so strongly about something, it is very often hard to keep it in. I've long ago accepted that absolutely nothing is going to change while I'm alive, especially when I hear some of the things I do, like the "I'm going to go home and eat twice as much meat now." So, I just do my little part by not eating meat, and occasionally I have little outbursts that can seem as absurd as Mr. Yeast-Man, because I get so wound up.
And going back to your comment about the soy beans, the funny thing is I know people who literally will not touch cafe food, or something, if it is labelled vegetarian. They're perfectly happy with food that has no meat in it, but the instant it is labelled "vegetarian" they won't touch it. My brother won't even eat the cheese I buy, because it contains vegetable enzymes rather than animal enzymes, therefore is "vegetarian cheese" and he won't touch it. I'm sure if I put two identical pieces of lettuce down, and said, this one's vegetarian and this one isn't, he'd eat the 'non-vegetarian' one.

*edit* spelling >_<

You and I have wildly varying viewpoints, I will just say that much. We too could argue the point to death and get nowhere. You want specialisation, mass production for its efficiency.

I do not agree with many of the practices surrounding efficient procedures like this. I mean, the argument goes into many, many different areas, there's simply too much to argue about to make it worth bringing into the forum. I'm not saying that your views aren't worth mentioning, simply that this could lead to too much of a debate, that will probably spiral out of control and is best left off these forums. It's already getting pretty heated.

yeah, that's weird. Sometimes I eat vegetarian meals, even ones using meat substitutes like quorn , not because I'm a vegetarian or as a last resort, but because I actually feel like eating it.

To be honest, I've known several vegetarians in the past, and none of them try to force their beliefs down my throat. But I have seen meat eaters try to convert them into meat eaters again. I really don't see why we as meat eaters need to attack vegetarians. Are they harming the economy?

Perhaps said "vegan" was a mentally incapacitated Vulcan who lacked acess to plomik soup. Their reasoning is flawed.

If yeast giving up it's life bothers said vegan, then perhaps they should not consume plants, plant genetalia, and plant young.
I've never understood why it so bad to eat animals, but rampant farming, breeding, and slaughtering of plant life is acceptable.


I was a vegetarian for most of my teenage years, and into my twenties. I did not like to eat meat. It had nothing to do with morality. Meat just didn't appeal to me. Vegetaniarism did not do wonders for me. I had seizures, convulsive hypoglycemic reactions, anemia, and reproductive dysfunction. I had violent anaphylatic reactions to mushrooms. My doctor put me on a diet that included the consumption of meat. That meat was mostly seafood and eggs. My health did indeed improve! Diabetics need protein. Period.
There are many times I don't feel the need to consume meat and don't. I do not force my husband or children to avoid meat.
Then there are times when a lamb chop, or a steaming hot bowl of shrimp is simply the bomb.

Haha! I've seen this. I eat meat, but I do cook vegetarian recipes once in a while, if they seem tasty. I told my Mum about one really good mushroom casserole, and she really reacted to it, like I was crazy for not having meat that one time - almost like I was cheating on meat Even if I cooked her the most amazing meal, she'd feel she was missing out if it didn't have meat in it somewhere. I'm pretty sure I've heard her call veggie stuff "hippy food" lol

Anyone remember that article about growing bacon in a petri dish? I'd totally go for that.

Grown bacon? sounds awesome.

It's obviously your lust for killing, spiralling out of control! Flee, tasty vegetarians!
I jest
In terms of meaties attacking veggies (I hope this isn't offensive, it's just so much easier to write!), I have some theories. 1. Attacking a vegetarian about not eating meat is a display of manly aggression, thus displaying manly dominance over the obviously weak and submissive vegetarian.
2. Some people do not want to know anything about what they're eating and thing that if they let the veggie speak first, said veggie will uncover all sorts of horrors about the meat eating world that will make the meatie feel guilty.
3. Meaties already feel guilty about eating meat and are trying to reassure themselves by justifiying their actions.
4. Meaties are jealous about veggies having iron self control and enough passion about something to make a serious lifestyle change. Now, I know this one to be truth, I've had a friend admit that they envy my ability to do exactly what I believe to be right and never let anyone tell me otherwise. Said friend is also nearly falling over in her efforts to defent her meatiness, belittles me often and tries to tell me I'm annoying. I should say acquaintance, I don't like her much anymore.


Sounds a bit like my dad. Every time something is vegetarian, he comments on how it'd be better with meat in it. He also turns into a real dike when I have a friend around, such as "Here, have a chip, no cows have been in these." He'd never make that comment if it was just us two. It's like he has to make it really obvious that he disagrees with my vegetarianism. (He also once forced himself to eat fish roe specifically to make a point about everything from an animal being delicious, and he was nearly puking at the end of it. I was just laughing at his stupidity.

I'd rather have my bacon come from a happy free range pig.
Growing up, fond memories I have, of visitng my relatives farms. Good times.
Feeding the chickens roaming around the yard, cleaning their coop. Petting the cows, avoiding the bulls. Even feeding the pigs corncobs or stunted corn. Watching them wander slowly about in the pasture, grubbing up fungus, acorns, and and whatever else they ate.

Fact is, it is more expencsve to consume cruelty free, hormone free, and antibiotic free animal products. It is more expensive to consume organically cultivated vegetables and fruits.

There are extreme cases on both sides of the argument.

Animals suffer in some farms, but they also suffer in the wild. You can't just look at the bad parts of the meat industry and then pretend that hunting in nature has "less suffering"... that is a skewed perspective.

Humans are omniovoures the last time i checked..

In order to be healthy we need a steady diet of both meats and vegetables.

Going too far one way or the other is unhealthy in the long run .

Moderation is the key

The way I see it, we are Omnomnomivores. If it tastes good, we eat it. This is why we eat things like bacon and candy.

My god... :facepalm:

I need to go and laugh now that was so... ow. Brain hurt.

Hmm, we are hardwired to crave, fat, salt, and sweet.
Paint might be an indication of a mineral or vitamin deficiency, such as happens with the medical issue known as pica.

Yep blame someone, and not an underling human factor such as reassuring ones own self worth. People attack others to make themselves feel better. Every human does it from small children to people close to their death throws. Please I can agree people have differing view points, but don't use it as justification for your own bias/attacks against others. Logic here people, think of the root problem of humanity. Not transposing what you think is the root problem of humanity.

That would be dirt. Paint used to contain lead, which was sweet. Sadly, many children were brain-damaged as a result.

I think most people eat way too much meat, like meat in almost every meal. I only eat meat about once every 2 or 3 days, sometimes not even once a week. Something about having too much meat makes me not feel good, though I have been eating a little more now only because I have to work out and need more food for recovery.

Heeeeeeeey, that's my word!

As a meat eater, I can assure you these assumptions are completely unfounded and quite frankly unfair. Now I obviously can't speak for everyone, but personally I can say that all four theories are wrong and don't describe me personally. I know what my meat goes through and honestly I don't care. Would it be nice to have more humane ways to obtain meat? Yes, but either way it still involves killing. Besides, I like a good steak waaay too much to stop eating meat. As well, the whole "lack of self control" thing isn't true considering meat eaters also have the ability to make serious life-style changes such as losing weight. Also, manly aggression is overrated.

You're definitely right, it is however hard to keep an argument within suitable confines without focussing on just the extremes. It simply gets too out of control too quick when you try to involve absolutely all aspects of either argument. The best thingf to do is just let it go



Erm, what I said was why I think people come charging up to me telling me I'm stupid for eating meat, and stuff like that. I was not using it as a justification on attacking others? I don't attack other people...? Perhaps I have misunderstood your post, but I was not saying that all people who disagree with vegetarianism are 1, 2, 3, and 4! There are people who disagree with veggieism, and people who blatantly, unnecessarily attack vegetarians for no reason whatsoever, those are the people I was talking about, who launch totally unprovoked tirades against others.


EDIT It seems people have taken my previous post way too far. I was not giving those reasons as reasons why people eat meat or disagree with vegetarianism! I was aiming that at people who are, basically, [censored]s to vegetarians for no reason, which I'm sure does not include all meat eaters. I apologise if it seemed I was attacking meat eaters, I was not! There are people out there who will walk up to a vegetarian and try shove a sausage roll in their face. This is the sort of person it was aimed at. The people who, as soon as they discover I am a vegetarian, will launch into a tirade against my beliefs, and belittle and abuse me for my beliefs, and all I do is just sit there, bewildered. Those are the people it was aimed at. I thought I made it clear that I was talking about the meat eaters who attack vegetarians.

And to all those people whom I have angered over my post, if you DO attack vegetarians for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than the fact that you have discovered they are vegetarians, then my apology does not extend to you.

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