Its hard to shoot with an downloaded gun

Its easy to buy, download and play an pc game.

I don't expect anything more on the disc.

After I heard they would release just one disc, I preordered the digital release.

I do have a limited data connection. I don't need to buy a disc (wich is more expensive), if the purpose of the disc is obsolete in my case.

It should be there to avoid most of the download stuff and just download Day-One stuff. Wich can be 500MB or 1 GB (in order to keep their DRM alive - essential gamefiles?).

And yes, changing discs is what I've been used to for years now. Don't see any reason why this should be a problem out of a sudden .

Anyway: I preordered a digital version, saved around 40 bucks (including the season pass) and have to use a portable steam on my external drive, on another PC, just to download the game. Wich takes around +1 or +2 days.

Not the method I wish to use, but I don't have much of a choice.

Reason: It totally violates Bethesdas and Steams DRM, due the fact I make the game available to a 3rd-Party.

Atleast when I am not around to monitor the download progress.

It's quite schizophrenic.

Which is why I think it svcks. I have "decent" internet... Flatrate 20/2 mbit for 30 $ a month, but if I didn't have that... Come on... why even bother with a physical version then?

It would be a nice alternative for those with data caps or just slow internet...

Not if you have a dodgy internet connection and believe me, I have been there and can get there again. Internet is not as reliable as people think.

Just so the record is clear GTA V had a day one 5gb patch. Also as another user pointed out and asked why gaming companies don't use usb sticks, which I think would be a good option.

Not to discuss what Summer doesn't want discussed let me just say groups have compressed much larger games to where they could easily fit onto a single dvd. Certainly if they could do it Bethesda can as well. But since everything in the industry has to cost a house purchase even for something as simple as someone pressing a few buttons to compress, I'm not sure if they will?

There's nothing about what you're doing that violates the rules or the spirit of the DRM. I can install Steam on my wife's laptop, sign into my account, and install a game from my library to play while I'm away from my PC. That's all fine according to Steam. That data is useless without the account sign-in. I can have games from my library installed on as many PCs as I want. The only limit is that I can only be signed into one of those PCs at a time.

Think about what a 'downloaded gun' is.

It's truly a shame if they do not include the bulk of the game on the disc in the box. If true, then they are indifferently hurting those that would seek out the physical disc as a means to cut down their [possibly capped] bandwidth usage; and or for the ability to play on day one, instead of day three.

I know people in rural Mississippi who are effectively out of range to anything but cellular or dial-up Internet; companies don't offer it ~at all. They would buy the disc out of need, and the disc would apparently have nothing on it but a Steam installer.

Grab the downloaded gamefiles -> insert crack -> play. That's what I was refering to.

Well I don't care, since I already paid the product. I was just pointing out it's quite schizo to release a disk without content under the flag of anti-piracy.

The download thingy is just an annoyance to my impatience .

I bought Skyrim preorder, it downloaded on my pc and I had to register do not believe it was an large day 1 patch but game would not activate earlier.

And you can copy steam game files, you have to go online for register on an new pc first.

I do not know the details here.

If that is true, that would be like adding a nightmare to another nightmare.

yeah
also this basically confirmes only steam installer on disc

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/3pmx20/about_30gb_download_is_necessary_to_play_the/

"According to the publisher, for the PC version there will be one DVD in the box that will install a smaller part of the game, but you will need to download a significant amount of data from steam to finish the installation. To install and run the game, you will need to download about 30 gigabytes of data."

30 gigs of data is a whole game...

It's kinda ridiculous that you still have to download data from Steam when you buy the disc. I buy the disc so I don't have to download data from Steam. And now I still have to download data from Steam. Yay.

Oh boy, that means I won't be able to play this game this year or next year. Thanks Bethesda.

Not kind of ~it IS. For what they will profit by this, they could trivially include three or four DVDs and/or market a blue-ray edition.

This seems more like an anti-leak tactic to me; perhaps there is dummy-data in the review editions, and those pressed to disc, until FO4 goes live on Steam.

Well lets hope all this rumors are false

I`m hoping for a double layered dvd with 9gb of data. Bethesda was always good at compression, so potentially they can squeeze most of the game data on a single DL DVD

Yeah, it feels like buying a disc with an activation key on it, nothing more. I always get the discs so I can install the damned thing whenever I please without needing an internet connection. I understand I still need to activate it, but that should be a split second job once the game is installed. I hate this Steam age with the fiery passion of a thousand suns

I still have a vague hope as well. If not, well, I still have The Witcher 3 to play which is awesome and I yet to download its latest expansion. And of course, I'm EXCITED that Just Cause 3 is coming in Dec 1. Hopefully Avalanche Studios doesn't pull off the same stupid ass move as Konami, Warner Bros, and Bethesda. I hate to mention Beth because FO4 is looking like an awesome game but, oh well. It isn't with the wonderful Bethesda artists and programmers I've a problem with, it is with Beth business decisions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/3rsw3o/sadly_it_wont_install_yet/cwr0vyt

Bad news everyone: only 5.21gb of data is on disc

Well it's better than nothing. Still stupid though.

Although, if the preload is 23GB, and the disc has 5GB, then that means only 18GB to download. Which is still a fair bit, but much less than 30GB.

Sorry not true. Witcher series on gog. Their IP is doing fine. Another example: Minecraft.

Maybe those 5gb of data on disc are heavily compressed and download will be even smaller?

Which worked perfectly well, when the whole playable game is on consoles Bluray. Ther won't be happen any leaks 10days before the release, guaranteed, 100% sure

I've got it all planned out.
I don't have and can't get usable internet at the house.
So I got a 12v>120v converter plugged into the cigarette lighter in my little pick up truck.
Got my computer bungied down in the passenger seat. Borrowed a small moniter from a friend. Got it duct taped to the passenger side window where I can see it good.
Gonna' cruise around town hitting the free wifi places until they shut me down for using their bandwidth.
I'll start at McDonalds, then cruise over to the truck stop on the interstate. Hit the mall and see if I can get some from Starbucks and a couple other places there.
Then there's the ritzy neighborhood I might have some luck with as I slowly drive the streets checking for low security set ups.
Probably have to cruise the circuit a couple times.
Hopefully I'll be all set in a week or 2.
Might end up leaving it all in my truck and playing there since it'll need to phone home every couple weeks anyway.

This is gonna' be so cool.

Why cant this just be an officially released figure. Every game i buy i have to go hunting around looking for download sizes, with many diffrent answers. Steam especially, why cant it tell me how big the download size is without having to buy it ?

This is what id like an answer to. If it truly is only 5gb, id cancel my physical copy and start downloading a digital version instead, as its not worth waiting on the physical copy to arrive on tuesday. But if its compressed and that 5gb becomes 8-9 (max a dvd can hold?) then id maybe just wait for the physical copy. My internet svcks, so an extra few gb on the disc would make a diffrence to me

I just dont understand why companys dont seem to make this clearer.

Its an irrelevant tactic on the devs/pub's part thats nothing more than an inconvenience to customers who choose to buy the physical version. They claim its done to curb piracy yet fail to acknowledge NO ONE pirates the physical version. One look at the usual suspect places right now and, as it is with ALL games, this is clearly evident.