Thats not true at all, im banned from the steam forums but can play my games just fine, lot of lies about steam going on in this thread.

Ah okay, i thought that seemed a bit harsh.

Yep. That one or that you need to be online to play your games.
But people wont listen and constantly bring up this argument - which is nil obviously.

For some reason it seems like it would be tougher to mod Skryim. Will it? I'm a console gamer and have NO clue how to mod on PC.

PS modz sounds awesome.

LOL if you think it prevents piracy. It doesn't.

yes, but it not universally accepted.

I agree, especially when it limits their income ( I did mention that it could reduce PC version sales)


I would like to have the option to support a company I happen to like but my system & steam don't mix well.

there is a difference between offering Skyrim on Steam & making the Steam version the only option

& no, the publisher is typically the ones that decide on any DRM used, not the devs

He's talking about Dragon Age, which is true. If you get banned on the forums, it does prevent you from playing the game if you have DLC installed (since the DLC is tied to your account, which needs online verification through your acount, which is tied to the forums).

If your Steam account itself is banned though, whether it's your fault or not, you are prevented from playing offline games. You cannot tell me that's a lie.


Are you saying that Steam won't ever prevent you from playing offline games when it's not online? Speaking of lies about Steam...

I too want to support Bethesda with my money. They make good, fun, long-lasting games. But I cannot support them if they require anti-features that can prevent me from playing those games on a whim (whether it be Steam, SecuROM, or some other heavy-handed DRM). Both Morrowind and Oblivion were top-selling PC games, and didn't require it.

So, what is the issue with steam and your computer? I can hardly think of any problems Steam could cause in a game(except the steamoverlay - which is disableable xD)
Other than that only faulty installations of drivers,OS or steam comes to my mind.

Either way thats no problem for me. Although a DRM-Free version would be fine.

Ye, I meant the publisher, the name doesnt came into my mind at that time. Nevertheless, Publisher = Dev in Bethesdas case.



Yep, it hasnt ever left me behind. But im rarely offline. My internet is on - permanently. We are out of 56k time.

Games that require DRM still get pirated. Games that require DRM to play, which are pirated, and played on an offline computer, often give the player exactly the same benefits that they would have had if they had bought the game.

Imagine - you don't have internet access because you simply cannot afford the monthly rate - you can't play your bought copy of Skyrim with DRM without connecting to the internet. You're pretty much screwed. Or you can play a pirated version of the game, given to you on a memory stick by a friend, and have access to everything that you could have if you had bought the game in the first play (and not have to worry about the install limit, to boot)

I'm particularly against DRM because my bought copy of Windows Vista allowed me to install on 3 systems. Over a period of about 6 months, a faulty power socket in my house and a faulty design of my computer lead to my computer literally burning out three times. After the third time, I not only had to replace my computer and find a solution to the power problem but also replace my copy of Windows Vista.


We are *not* out of 56K time... You might be, but there are many, many locations around the world that don't have cheap, reliable and fast internet.

Ow, you mean you can have a machine for about 600 bucks to play skyrim but cant afford internet? LMAO

I suspect Steam doesn't like my connection either because of it being a USB type or it's 56k-ness (affordable broadband isn't available in my area)

I'm not just saying that because of what stormbird said about "56k time"

@stormbird: knock on faux wood, so far Beth hasn't added install limits to their games

indeed,

If you're rarely offline, how would you know how often it would prevent you from playing due to being offline? Not that it matters, as I hope you understand it was a rhetorical question.

FWIW, I do have a broadband, "always on" connection, but a week rarely goes by where the connection doesn't drop, anywhere from a few seconds to a few hours. During those extended downtimes I like to play my games, and I won't stand for my ability to play offline games to be in question over what an unrelated online service thinks of my innocence.


:whisper: Internet service is a recurring fee, a PC and game isn't. :whisper:

Actually as far as DRM goes Steam isn't that intrusive. Other solutions are more intrusive and just as ineffective or even less effective. Steam isn't THAT bad as some make it out to be *shrug*

But anyway, if you don't like steam then don't buy it for PC, there's 0 chance they'll have a different DRM.... while the rest of us will be enjoying Skirim and even mods for it

Wow, you are still arguing about the online thingy?! How often do I need to repeat this?
You dont need to be online to play the games you have on Steam!

Maybe people now get it.
And yes everytime my internet drops(what it does occaisionaly) I was able to use steam in offline-mode. No restrictions. At least not on the games I played. Dunno about Onlinegames.

cheers

Doublepost

console versions aren't an option for some either gamepads are a pain to use one-handed and my most up-to-date console is a PS1

there's always a chance they can choose a different DRM they have switched in the past. they have not yet set it in stone (at least on the forums & the net just yet).

And what would you prefer instead? GFWL!?

if it's set up like it was in FO3 (optional) then yes I would

there should be a Steam option but Steamworks doesn't offer an option

No mater what kind of DRM will be used, it will always get hacked, i mean do you guy remember the idiotic DMR on AS CREED:Brotherhood , i mean you have to do like milion things in order to play and you had to be online to play it, than Skidrow just hacked the ubisfot web paged and released a crack and even the people with retail verzion of the game used that crack cuz the DRM svck so hard, my worries lay in Skyrim being ported i mean i know it will i just rly rly hope it will be optimized good, and i honestly don't get why they made xbox as primary gaming platform, i mean even if you make a game on pc that is made for pc like The witcher 2 and than just ported on xbox 360 people on the xbox will still buy it while vice versa is not the same mostly cuz pc gamers are older in average than xbox 360 gamers they care more about wich game they will buy and how will the game preform on the pc, i mean just look at Dragon age 2 it was just purely pu focused on how the game will be on consoles and thay did it and i turned out to be CRAP, i loved the 1st one but this da2 was one of the worst rpgs i ever played and its cuz they wanted to make it simple for console users, wich they did cuz even my 9 year old cousin was able to play it without dying it was that dumb not to even mention the crappy graphics lagging on good pc's so i hope Bethesda will run from that error.

Uhm... I don't recall it being optional. Sure you could create an offline account (just as you can play offline with steam) but under normal circumstances you still had to use it.

odd, I never needed to make an account both of my FO3 "LIVE access keys" (collectors & Goty) remain unused.

As often as it takes until it becomes true. Just because some games allow you to sometimes play offline does not make it a blanket truth. There are times when Steam prevents you from playing games while offline.

Its better to lay that aside now (The cleverer give in. you know ) You seem to be resistant towards learning (just out of curiosity: is it genetical, some sort of braindamage or just a bad trait? - I recall to have read something about that on the net in the past days, not sure if it was focusing on learning schoolwise or just accepting facts)

I hope Skyrim will have no DRM, if yes I dont care which one - unless its GFWL :@ - I'd appreciate Steam if DRM is used.

Cheers

Thinly vieled personal attack? That usually happens when you no longer have a valid argument to debate, and I notice you didn't refute my point.