PC Version Request To Bethesda : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:55 pm

Hopefully they'll use steamworks.

at least for me it would be perfect.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:48 pm

I don't mind that they're using steam as it's a good service and all but a diskcheck is really enough, I'm buying a hard copy of the game so there's no need for anything further. Steam doesn't magically stop piracy no drm does, it'll still be cracked the day it comes out.
The UI so far looks great to me other than the rather large font size on the HUD so I'm not worried about that either.
I'm really not worried about the PC not getting enough attention and I don't see any reason to be.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:53 pm

It's really dumb to require someone to be online to play a single player game.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:35 pm

It's really dumb to require someone to be online to play a single player game.

Exactly! :cookie:

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:06 pm

It's really dumb to require someone to be online to play a single player game.

or to have the user wait for hours for downloads when you're installing from a disc.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:42 am

I'll never give away one of my Elder Scrolls games! :takes Oblivion and holds it tightly:

And why hasn't BioWare been sued yet (they might have, but I haven't heard anything)? I know multiple cases of where people got banned on the site for trolling or whatever and banned from their games because of it.

I assume so as it sounds very strange to me, I guess it’s not true or inaccurate. Steam has their own user database with users and licenses. It’s no way they would let other companies get access to that database and ban customers, customer relations and security issues would be a nightmare.
More probably he was banned from the bioware forum and banned from steam because of piracy or similar at around the same time.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:43 am

you wont buy skyrim then. bethesda doesnt care for one customer if it prevents alot of piracy

Doesn't stop any more piracy than a disc check.

It does, however, stop any resale of the game, 100% guaranteed.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:08 am

I assume so as it sounds very strange to me, I guess it’s not true or inaccurate. Steam has their own user database with users and licenses. It’s no way they would let other companies get access to that database and ban customers, customer relations and security issues would be a nightmare.
More probably he was banned from the bioware forum and banned from steam because of piracy or similar at around the same time.

I thought BioWare used their own DRM thing.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:40 am

It's really dumb to require someone to be online to play a single player game.

You can keep Steam offline and still play games.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:53 am

You can keep Steam offline and still play games.

That doesn't really matter though. The point is, you shouldn't need internet connection to play a single-player game.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:41 am

or to have the user wait for hours for downloads when you're installing from a disc.

Mandatory updates should be a no no anyway, thats the only thing that pisses me off about steam but at least you can avoid in the future by using offline mode. Unfortunately I learned the hard way and now I can't play shogun 2 anymore because it has to download a patch that's over 1GB. I have dial-up and it estimates the download time to be 25 days >.>

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:22 am

tell me.. do you really think they would give is these things? do you REALLLY THINK , THAT THE GUYS MAKING ONE OF THE MOST ANTECIPATED GAMES OF E3... IS GOING TO FORGET ABOUT PC USERS? is really what you think?....

in one word.............yes.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:01 am

I think the new ui is stupid for pc, and pray they change it. I'd much rather have lists like oblivion, only more than 5 things showing

, with all stats visible and then still be able to click on an item and see it 3d like skyrims ui. Screw seeing only one items stats at a time. The new ui has half the screen unused.

Mandatory updates should be a no no anyway, thats the only thing that pisses me off about steam but at least you can avoid in the future by using offline mode. Unfortunately I learned the hard way and now I can't play shogun 2 anymore because it has to download a patch that's over 1GB. I have dial-up and it estimates the download time to be 25 days >.>

Are you planning on getting skyrim for pc? It will more than likely have a day 0 patch, upwards of 1gb. Most new games have them, and I can't imagine skyrim being any different. I don't know how consoles handle that though, but the last 2 new games I got through steam needed a day one patch.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:55 pm

I think the new ui is stupid for pc, and pray they change it. I'd much rather have lists like oblivion, only more than 5 things showing

, with all stats visible and then still be able to click on an item and see it 3d like skyrims ui. Screw seeing only one items stats at a time. The new ui has half the screen unused.

I agree it could be better, but it's still way better than Oblivion and Morrowind's UI.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:16 am

I will never understand why people have such a hate-on for steam...

I have ZERO issues with it, bar when traffic gets increased artificially (IE: the recent change of tf2 going f2p).

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:01 pm

I agree it could be better, but it's still way better than Oblivion and Morrowind's UI.

It looks better/newer, but I might prefer oblivions over skyrims if I can't order items by weight/$/damage etc and compare them easily at a glance. If skyrims only allows one item at a time, as I think it might, I'd switch in a heart beat if I could.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:57 pm

It looks better/newer, but I might prefer oblivions over skyrims if I can't order items by weight/$/damage etc and compare them easily at a glance. If skyrims only allows one item at a time, as I think it might, I'd switch in a heart beat if I could.

I guess that's what mods are for, right?

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:08 am

You can keep Steam offline and still play games.

Only for games that aren't waiting for (or in the process of) being updated. Or when Steam decides it has to check if you're innocent. What's the point in using Steam if all you're going to do is try to work around its various "features"?

I'd also be interested in how it would affect things like the Skyrim equivalents of OBSE and MGE. Oblivion got hooks for OBSE because it was already well-entrenched in the modding scene by the time the game came to Steam, and Valve eventually decided to be nice. If Skyrim starts out on Steam, and there isn't a Steam-less PC version, would Valve be as willing to allow for such hooks without the tools first being available?

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:53 pm

I guess that's what mods are for, right?

Well look at darn ui, it made the text smaller, and the ui looked pretty much the same besides that. Nehrim is the only mod that drastically changed it, as far as I know, and that was a total conversion mod into another game. Im not holding my breath.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:39 am

Only for games that aren't waiting for (or in the process of) being updated. Or when Steam decides it has to check if you're innocent. What's the point in using Steam if all you're going to do is try to work around its various "features"?

I'd also be interested in how it would affect things like the Skyrim equivalents of OBSE and MGE. Oblivion got hooks for OBSE because it was already well-entrenched in the modding scene by the time the game came to Steam, and Valve eventually decided to be nice. If Skyrim starts out on Steam, and there isn't a Steam-less PC version, would Valve be as willing to allow for such hooks?

Good points. We're probably not going to be getting a SKSE (Skyrim Script Extender) or SKMM (Skyrim Mod Manager), which will hurt a lot of us in the modding community, even though some people (like me) refuse to use a script extender or mod manager.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:54 pm

Only for games that aren't waiting for (or in the process of) being updated. Or when Steam decides it has to check if you're innocent. What's the point in using Steam if all you're going to do is try to work around its various "features"?

I'd also be interested in how it would affect things like the Skyrim equivalents of OBSE and MGE. Oblivion got hooks for OBSE because it was already well-entrenched in the modding scene by the time the game came to Steam, and Valve eventually decided to be nice. If Skyrim starts out on Steam, and there isn't a Steam-less PC version, would Valve be as willing to allow for such hooks?

the Fallout NV equivalent for Obse ran perfectly fine and it required Steam. Valve has zero issues with the modding of games, however they do not appreciate hacking on their monitored servers. Also the mod manager for it works equally well and launches the game flawlessly as though you launched through steam.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:01 am

Are you planning on getting skyrim for pc? It will more than likely have a day 0 patch, upwards of 1gb. Most new games have them, and I can't imagine skyrim being any different. I don't know how consoles handle that though, but the last 2 new games I got through steam needed a day one patch.

Yeah I am getting it for PC so yeah...

. I download the patches somewhere else whenever I get the chance but it's still annoying that I have to wait and it's absolutely mandatory to even play the game.
Is it really that hard for them to have an option to patch a game? Or at least let you play the game while the patch is downloading. It really grinds my gears.

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:17 am

Well look at darn ui, it made the text smaller, and the ui looked pretty much the same besides that. Nehrim is the only mod that drastically changed it, as far as I know, and that was a total conversion mod into another game. Im not holding my breath.

If you're talking about Nehrim's inventory screen...it used another mod. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3595&navtag=file/images.php?id=3595&tab=3. And everything else (such as the map) used the Darnified UI (except the full map, I don't recall that in Darnified UI).

» Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:01 am

Yeah I am getting it for PC so yeah...

. I download the patches somewhere else whenever I get the chance but it's still annoying that I have to wait and it's absolutely mandatory to even play the game.
Is it really that hard for them to have an option to patch a game? Or at least let you play the game while the patch is downloading. It really grinds my gears.

There is an option to patch the games. It's in your settings.

» Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:13 pm

Only for games that aren't waiting for (or in the process of) being updated. Or when Steam decides it has to check if you're innocent. What's the point in using Steam if all you're going to do is try to work around its various "features"?

I'd also be interested in how it would affect things like the Skyrim equivalents of OBSE and MGE. Oblivion got hooks for OBSE because it was already well-entrenched in the modding scene by the time the game came to Steam, and Valve eventually decided to be nice. If Skyrim starts out on Steam, and there isn't a Steam-less PC version, would Valve be as willing to allow for such hooks?

Obse doesn't do that on steam versions. You don't run it through the obse exe. That does all the hooks on the oblivion exe. It's just a .dll and run through the regular oblivion exe. But you have to have community chat on, or something like that.