My opinion once again: No nudity shipping with the game. If there is a nvde mod that is to my liking I will download that instead.

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Any gore is an instant M rating.

No No and No. thats disgusting. theres no point. and all the lonely nerds would just [censored] to the naked female.

It's all about the people who play the game. If little children play the game than they will do lots of funny things and mess around. If it is an advlt which is playing the game it will add to the realism of it. If you were actually taking someones armor you would always have the option of taking it all. This isn't a big deal, but if you have never seen a naked woman then you may get squirmish about it lol.

I'd be very surprised if nudity made it into a Beth. game for all the reasons given previously. We do live in a warped world.

In modded versions of the game I have been known to put clothes back onto a naked corpse. Perhaps in reality the addition of nudity would go some way towards countering the desensitising effect of endless violence, actually encouraging the greater morality sort by many of the anti-skin brigade?

Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned showed genitalia in it and the game was still rated M. Heavy Rain was a PS3 game that had nudity in it and achieved high sales and critical acclaim:

"Heavy Rain ranked as the tenth best-selling game in North America for February 2010." "Heavy Rain debuted at number one on the UK sales charts for the week ending 27 February 2010, with higher sales than all multiplatform and single platform releases." "Heavy Rain has sold over 1 million copies worldwide, surpassing the developer's initial pre-release estimates of 200,000 — 300,000. David Cage now expects the game to sell an additional 500,000 copies by the end of 2010."

And thus the reason that people can't view nudity in a similar light in video games as they do in movies or other forms of art.

Gamers themselves perpetuate the idea that it's some kind of elitist nerd-world once you get past Madden.

Pretty much anyone with a sense of reality will know that's not true. I play games quite a bit...everything ranging from "casual" to "hardcoe". NBA 2k11? Love it. Dragon Age: Origins? Also love it. Social life? A fairly good oneI feel. Friends, family, significant other, it's there. Looks? Well, that doesn't really determine much of anything. Though I'm neither grossly unnatractive nor do I smell of Cheetoes and Mountain Dew.

Attitudes like the quoted on are patently ridiculous. Yes, there will certainly be people who get off to some nvde mod of the game. There are also people that get off to the nudity in Schindler's List. What's your point? It can be tastefully done and even have a point within some plot(minor or otherwise). It all depends on how they choose to use it.

Again, there's nothing inherently wrong with nudity.

I would prefer "it" to be out. While I do use body replacers for both games, I much prefer to see the clothed version as opposed to the non-clothed versions.

Just for Bethesda's sake I want it out.

I can mod it in later hehe

don't worry about it

People should be allowed to get pleasure out of nudity in a game if they want to. It's just this culture stigma that anyone that derives pleasure from nudity is 'sick.' Or that deriving pleasure from nudity is only acceptable through paved-out venues like pormography, but if it's in any other medium then it's 'wrong.' This is so ridiculously immature. But the game is for pleasure! People need to stop discriminating against which pleasures are allowed and viewing them as unacceptable. Everything is pleasure, it's a major reason for existing - to garner pleasure from reality. People need to see that larger image.

I have to majorly disagree with you there. There is a problem with making a game like TESV into having a pormographical enjoyment aspect to it, though there are mods that do just that for oblivion. Many people, including myself, do find it wrong to release to the general public a game with that purpose intended if that isn't for its sole intention. There are pormographic video games TES should not be one of it, nor any main stream game. Though nudity in itself does in no way have to be like that.

Assuming your interpreting that poll correctly, (and no, making a poll does not mean you're also interpreting it correctly), then that's a 53% for, 46% against. Considering that these forums are a very small portion of the customer base, the ultimate conclusion based on your interpretation of the poll results is that the customer base does not have a strong consensus viewpoint. In short, the community does not have a decisive opinion on the matter, and gamesas should ignore the poll results.

Assuming Silvade is correct, then the community's conclusive recommendation is that gamesas keep it out.

edit1: I reccomend the poll be changed to simply have three options:

In

Out

undecided.

The assignment of motivations to certain poll choices has obviously corrupted interpretation of the data.

I have to strongly disagree with the posted intent. I also find the idea that "there's nothing wrong with nudity" to be quite wrong-headed. This is a game, not a Life Simulator. Everything in it is for one purpose: entertainment. I can also attest that advlt =/= playing the game in a silly, immature manner. Everyone grows old, not everyone grows up. And far too many people think boring = mature, and everyone must be so.

There is absolutely no reason Skyrim should have integrated nudity as a feature, since it's not a representation of modern life, and instead is Heroic Fantasy. I disagree with the assessment that "Daggerfall" treated nudity in a mature manner. In fact, it was quite immature about it. Anybody read the "Book of Jokes" or "A Rude Song"? And realisitically, showing up naked in public isn't "A funny one-liner" from observers: It's disgust and social ostricization because nobody wants to see that in a realistic setting.

Making underwear a wearable piece of clothing has the following gameplay ramifications, that also make it stupid:

• Everyone sees it over the clothes when looting.
  
• You have to see it when checking your gear. Most people'd rather not want to be reminded they are wearing underwear.
  
• Unless it's enchantable, or provides a gameplay benefit, it serves nothing more than a cosmetic purpose.
  
• If Underwear's enchantable, it becomes outright silly (The Brassier of Elemental Summoning, anyone? The Bra of Holding? Mighty Tighty-Whities? Thong of Shielding?), and discussion of character optimization suddenly picks up the element of munchkining the hell out of your undergarments.
  
• People lose bowel and bladder control upon death. Do you really want to see that? I'd rather have that implied mess safely under the underwear.
  
• If it has value and can be looted, it means shop keepers want to buy the aforementioned soiled underwear of those you kill... Is this really "Realistic"?!

In all honesty, underwear's stigma and connotations are the same as those as nudity, except slightly more tolerable so it's not as immersion-breaking to see someone get away with wearing only their underwear in public for whatever reason as someone naked. There's no immersive difference between being stripped naked and being stripped down to your underwear.

As far as the gratuitous enjoyment of a nvde body: That's what the modding community is for :hubbahubba:

I agree with this point you made "the ultimate conclusion based on your interpretation of the poll results is that the customer base does not have a strong consensus viewpoint." Which is why discussion of the issue is in order.

What a wonderful post.

Hey I'd like my gal to wear a high class bra of holding, you don't want those things bouncing around in battle, unless you want to stick a mace on em.

I can go to a theater and see an R-rated movie with full-frontal nudity in it and its perfectly acceptable. I can go to an art museum and see sculptures and painting of nvdes and that is perfectly acceptable. I can watch a documentary on TV about a different third world culture and that is also perfectly acceptable, but the minute I see nudity in a video game its immature? Is it because video games are an immature medium in of themselves? I like to think that games can be taken just as seriously as any other art form, but part of that is dealing with the human body in a mature, non-puritanical way.

Yes, I would prefer nudity to be in Elder Scrolls games, and any other game that markets itself to a mature audience. That being said, I know its not going to happen in Skyrim due to business/publicity, but it would be nice to show that video games can deal with the human body in just as mature a manner as any other art medium.

It's about choice, no? In real life you can remove the underwear from the bodies of the dead. Why limit the realism of the game because you're afraid that your parents will see it?

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How the hell did nudists take over this forum? I'm hoping this is all one big (unfunny) joke. Who the hell would want to see naked videogame characters? Who the hell would want to make naked videogame characters. Why are such creepy people interested in Skyrim?

Why would you want to remove the undies of a corpse? Unless you're the coroner or Falanu Hlaalu what could you possibly gain from doing that?

i say nay

i dont get my jollies from seing naked people running around, i get them from stabbing them multiple times and setting them on fire!!!!!

besides with children being in the game you know that some people with issues may take things too far

it's not about what your parents will see per-say, some people just have a really pious attitude about it.(by pious i'm not speaking about any particular religion or religion in itself, only the religion of one's self) They have stereotypical reasonings as to why we can't allow it. "It's only nerds with no social life" "people are going to *bleep* off to it". These reasons are actually reflections upon them selves, when they say "people are going to" what they really mean is "i'm going to so don't tempt me". Only one person has articulated an argument, by going to a "logical" extream. However such things don't need to go to their logical extream to be enjoyed. here is a reply from a discussion I had with a friend of mind about this subject showing how nudity can be done in an artful and tasteful manner in a game "And I can totally agree - both nakedness and sixy clothing should be used in appropriate context. The naiad in the Witcher comes to mind - she was totally naked, but she was a water nymph, so why woun't she be? She looked beautiful and mystical walking in the water in the moonlight - it added to a beauty and mystery of the world, reminded you that there was things there that did not try to crawl out of the swamp and kill you And it was although appropriate because she was one of a kind - she did mention having sisters but we never so them, if the game where filled with naked naiad everywhere it would have cheapened it a great deal, but one - added a lot"

Is that a question you really want to be answered?

Also, I'd like to know where nudity will be in, if it's there. The only times I can think are:

• Nords stripped naked by breton witches and left paralyzed
  
• berserkers
  
• brothels.
  
• freshly killed bodies, because you really want that person's underwear, which is just weird.
  
• sneaking into someone's bedroom and removing the sheets.
  
• the witches in the witch covens (and they're not young advlts, they're really ancient looking)

Also, running around naked isn't realistic, it's childish!

Well getting back out of real life and into the game! The enemy you just defeated (or Koed) might have a lovely piece of undergarment that you want to add to your collection. If Koed you might just want to embarrass the person for insulting you and when they wake up..they'll be embarrassed to say the least.