This is the continuation of the first thread http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1162275-a-very-controversial-but-popular-topic/ It was fully of great heated debate and many good points for and against the issue. I would like us to continue to topic with civility and respect for both sides, the following is the original post from the previous thread. And the Results of the last poll
In, I want it (58 votes [26.01%])
out, I don't want it (94 votes [42.15%])
out, I think it'd hurt Bethesda too much, though would like it (55 votes [24.66%])
Undecided (16 votes [7.17%])

One of my favorite mods for morrowind and oblivion is the "better bodies" mod (THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT THE BETTER BODIES MOD). Most of you who use mods probably know of it. What it does is get rid of the glued on underwear and when you take everything, you take EVERYTHING. Revealing otherwise revealed "mature" parts. I would like this added to the game with a default setting being the cloths stay on. It shouldn't be a problem if "underwear" is an option to take or leave when looting. Personally I enjoyed streaking in morrowind. Made the comments all the more funny. What say y'all?

The option should be for equipable/unequipable underwear on the option menu. Even if turned on you would still have the option of actually taking the knickers.
That way you can make it "appropriate" when necessary.

Highlighted points ( you don't need to read them they're just a few well stated points from the previous thread.)

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quote LostInSpace
*shrug* I do agree that it's not a *huge* problem, and that Bethesda will probably go the safe route to avoid idiot clamoring around their products - who could blame them to want to avoid that outcry.

Still, it is sad. What's problematic with nudity ? As Unclellama rightfully pointed out, we can blow up villages in games, but a micrometre of bare skin, oh my... How odd is that. Anyway, I do use the Better Bodies naked mod. I wanted better shaped bodies, and why not remove those illogical underwears all the same ? It's a detail, but it feels more right. Like having windows you could actually see through. Or scabbards to your swords.

Anyway, mods while being awesome, aren't a systematic answer for everything, not even for background things. Having uncanny NPCs face did not prevent us to play Oblivion ; it's sort of minor : what would you think if Bethesda, instead of working on implementing better faces in Skyrim, told us to "go get mods" ?

It's a point worth discussing, I reckon. Again, to quote Unclellama, sure Bethesda would get a lot of heat, but games and movies could make bit by bit a difference, in a natural, neither prude nor obscene, view of nudity.

quote Unclellama
I think that you could argue that the *primary* purpose of Better Bodies was to make bodies look better

It was available both in nvde and non-nvde versions.

What I would like is undergarments as a seperate object. nvde mods are all very well, but it seems wierd that you end up stripping down all the bandits just to loot their armour.

Plus, there's lots of potential in a snowy environment for catching a cold (that drains stamina or something) if not equipped with wooly underwear. And possibly a 'naked Nord' perk that prevents this need.

As for nudity in general: sure, there are a lot of reasons not to have it in the vanilla game, but none of those reasons have to do with the game itself... In game, not being able to take off your clothes is just an arbitrary restriction.

I don't expect it to be possible to take off your clothes in Skyrim, and don't care that much either way, but I would be pleasantly surprised if it is possible. There are lots of good roleplaying reasons for taking one's clothes off - for example, research shows that it heightens the sanitary value of having a bath.

quote Sshodan
While a body replacement, and a nvde one at that is close to the first mod that I will be installing, I don't think that it would be a default option - even Better Bodies had a permanent underwear version for thous who wanted it Having removable underwear can be realistic, and hilarious in some cases (how about putting some enchantment on your knickers? ), but with the amount of complaining and whining it will arise in the community it may be not the best move to make it a default setting...
But I see a problem for console players... So maybe an optional feature?



quote LostInSpace
*shrug* I do agree that it's not a *huge* problem, and that Bethesda will probably go the safe route to avoid idiot clamoring around their products - who could blame them to want to avoid that outcry.

Still, it is sad. What's problematic with nudity ? As Unclellama rightfully pointed out, we can blow up villages in games, but a micrometre of bare skin, oh my... How odd is that. Anyway, I do use the Better Bodies naked mod. I wanted better shaped bodies, and why not remove those illogical underwears all the same ? It's a detail, but it feels more right. Like having windows you could actually see through. Or scabbards to your swords.

Anyway, mods while being awesome, aren't a systematic answer for everything, not even for background things. Having uncanny NPCs face did not prevent us to play Oblivion ; it's sort of minor : what would you think if Bethesda, instead of working on implementing better faces in Skyrim, told us to "go get mods" ?

It's a point worth discussing, I reckon. Again, to quote Unclellama, sure Bethesda would get a lot of heat, but games and movies could make bit by bit a difference, in a natural, neither prude nor obscene, view of nudity.

quote Rezro Variant
Of course you should be able to be completely 'nvde' in Skyrim. People always suggest modifications will add 'nudity' so it doesn't matter anyway or it shouldn't be added because it can be added for those that want it on the PC through modifications, but not everyone will be able to get the PC version. The largest audience of people are still buying The Elder Scrolls for the consoles. Besides, those modifications made by people wouldn't be considered canon. It would be nice to see the ones behind the game designing the 'nudity.'

Since for some reason it's still an issue for people, there should be an option in the menu to turn on and off all 'nudity.' It could be defaulted as turning all 'nudity' off, and would make it exactly like Oblivion where the underwear/bra cannot be taken off and also for people being looted it would not remove their underwear/bra. Additionally, if there is a mission like in Oblivion where your character is supposed to be 'nvde' (the mission where you get your clothes removed in the Mage's dream world) it would enact it like Oblivion where everything but the underwear/bra is removed...


quote mumatil
I would like better textures and different underwear. Wierd how everyone wears a loin cloth under their clothes wether their wearing silk or raggs.

Nudity? Not needed for the game and would only lead toward angry dumb parents(who should actually start parenting) causing problems and less sales for Beth due to countries with stricter maturity ratings.


Poor India and Austrailia....



quote Madaras Zore
As previously mentioned (not by me) underwear is important in keeping your valuables warm. (so you don't lose em) Someone could strip you for any number of reasons, maybe you aren't wearing underwear under your pants! that 1 pound encumbrance you found unnecessary so you got rid of them, or maybe you have a phobia. Any number of ways you can look at it. Even you just meet up with some cruel bandits who's friend you left to die naked in the mountains! So many possibilities especially now in gaming.

quote Madaras Zore
I find boobs tasteless, and mainly enjoyed by the.....Maybe it's because I'm ex-military as to why I don't have a strong, gross, reaction. It's just normal. I think the girls should have underwear as well, and we "could" choose to undress those we kill as much as any guy character....necromancy would be a bit creepier that way, but hey it's your necro-harem if you want it



quote Madaras Zore
Good point!() Speaking of necro-harems if you happen to have one I'm sure you'd be very unpopular and you might have family members of those dead try and kill you, the guards won't like it either, not to mention you'd have many people who just object to you having undead wenches living in your mansion, however you might be able to develop a cult of followers. (A bit of radiant AI role playing aspect of the game)

This post has been edited by Madaras Zore: 26 January 2011 - 12:01 PM

topic is really not worth a second thread imo

on topic - nudity could make for some awkward family scenes.

I maintain what I said before:

I don't care, but from BGS's point of view it's surely not worth the hassle.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8397/beatingadeadhorse1.gif

If it's in it's in. If not then not.

snip forget about nudity! Leave that for mods, close this thread already, clearly this will never happen, there is just too much stuff that would make it not a good thing both for the game and Bethesda itself.

I want highly detailed body meshes, but that doesn't mean we need nudity.

There is no need for any kind of nakedness in the game to make it better. Isn't needed, don't want it.

Well I'd say it's worth a second thread since it maxed out on post and had 4,461 Views that's quite a lot of activity to not warrant another discussion.

No nudity please. I want to enjoy my game without having to shut my eyes and squirm every five seconds. I'm not immature btw

Having nudity just for having it there is rather pointless.

This. I don't mind very carefully done six scenes, but nudity, no way.

its about nudity, i think 200 posts would have fully fleshed out the yes/no argument..

Out, but seeing the "Anti-Video Games" politicians froth at the mouth would be amusing.

Lol that would be enjoyable.

Don't see how their'd be a problem (from a gaming perspective excluding all outer forces) if it was on hardcoe mode, where if you want the underwear to come off you have the option, if you want it on even on hard core mode then leave it on, it's completely in your hands what you want to see (aside from the strip club in morrowind, but then again you had to choose to go there, there was rarely a reason to though.)

Jack Thompson still makes me laugh

Out. There is essentially no point to it except immaturity.

Agreed. Just leave it the way it is.

That's very irrespective and shallow minded of you, what is (IMO) immature is the peanut gallery version of BB which clearly states is for little boys who want to see girls but not guys naked. Having everyone have natural physical attributes is not immature, but can be tasteful and appreciated by many.

Out. It would be a waste of time to implement it and would only benefit the immature perverted degenerates.

But having nudity does not make a game mature. I don't want nudity because its kinda immature.

Some threads just don't know whan to stop and it takes the post limit to make people realize that. Which appears the majority has realized it.

Plus the poll results made it clear what people want. As the gif that was posted, you are beating the dead horse.


The simple fact that should have ended this long ago, if its in, its in, if not, some modders will make it and those that want it can use it. Period, the end, that is all.

I'm sure you have actual reasons for not wanting it in, immature is mainly a throw-away answer. Why don't you really want it in?

Sorry I don't want to see [censored] or boobs or [censored] in my game. I see two of these when I look in a mirror and the other one won't leave me alone for five minutes. <_<

You really want nudity, don't you?

Just leave it man. Read your own thread, no one gives a crap, no one really wants it.

You quoted yourself in the "well stated points" section of your post?

Yeah did so to further explain my point, since the OP I admit wasn't very clear on it. I'd revise it but then it'd sound like I was trying to trick people