The guy at the left was very annoying !! I didn't even know him and when I found his game titles I said to my self "What does a loser do among the gods?" . I mean seriously he was talking like a pig, he was rude and most of all he had no idea what a good game is. Especially when he started talking nonsense about his brains and the games he plays at the same time...he is really beside the point.

David Jaffe is an idiot. Not only does he shout down the most inspired creative mind in the AAA games industry (Kevin Lavine), but he holds his own Mediocre Games on some kind of Pedestal of awesome. Don't get me wrong, God of War does a lot of things right, but unlike Bioshock and any Elder Scrolls games, it fails to rise above anything than the simple sum of its parts.



If he was passionate about the industry, he wouldn't be afraid to innovate. He pretty much calls himself a proud-to-be plagiarizer at best.

Is this on Youtube yet?

That was not the place nor the way to say what he said. He could have twitted it instead of wasting precious time we could have spent listening to Ken and Todd (geniuses)...
The body expressions of these two were sooo clear, they didn't want to be in that situation. Todd didn't even talk but Ken that has a more fatherly attitude couldn't resist to listen to this fat kid's nonsense and jumped in.

Poor Todd Howard. Anyone saw the last interview where the guy mentioned Todd making a "Little game" called Skyrim? Todd was -_- throughout the entire video.

You got to admire Todd's ability to stay so calm with so many stupid things going on in the video.

This, God of War made me fall asleep in the middle of playing it. He is acting like a child. :shakehead:
I felt sorry for Todd and Ken :sadvaultboy:

Jaffe wasn't all that bad. He came off a little cynical, but I believe that's due to his passionate views. He obviously has a more extroverted personality than Ken or Todd. He's naturally going to be more opinionated. He has a vision as much as Ken and Todd does, but he expresses himself in a different matter. He's the minority. Of course he's going to have the tendency to come off as brash. When you're the minority, you have to speak louder to be heard. Todd could have said, "Skyrim will be awesome." That's all. People would have supported that. Because he's supporting a game which has established itself. The respect of the fans has already been earned to a degree which he can be relatively soft spoken yet be appreciated. Jaffe has gotten ridicule for his vision, and it shows. Jaffe is actually speaking for the people who want gameplay above all else. Now, I hear people complain about this all the time, yet when Jaffe tries to defend gameplay before anything else, people shun him. Ironic, I think.

Personally, I'm a big fan of Vigilante 8(dead franchise) and Twisted Metal games. These are car combat games which are not staple franchises. Jaffe has a vision for car combat and I also appreciate that. People will shun it because it's not a staple franchise. So, I would expect Jaffe to be a little hot-headed in his opinion. He's passionate about something a lot of people just don't want. He's inventive. I think he came off a little too strong, but overall, he made good points.

I think the reactions were to be expected. Considering what it was, it was a relatively interesting debate. Each person made good points. I wouldn't expect any less. I'm not going to judge.

Jaffe wanted gameplay above all else. A story is a story, but once it's been told, all you have is the gameplay. Besides, a story usually is elaborated better through a movie or book because that's it sole purpose. A game is for gameplay. Focus on it's main purpose. Don't mimick. Besides, you've seen what happens when a movie mimicks a game or vice versa. He also made the point of just because it looks fun doesn't mean you'll like to play it. Those are two different experiences.

Ken seemed to agree with both. He was like the middle ground. He seemed to want a degree of stimulation from both narative and gameplay.

Todd, with what little he said, said entertainment was what he wanted. Whether through cinematics or gameplay, he wants that satisfying feeling of accomplishment.

Cool story bro

I love the way Todd says "11-11-11" when the interviewer asks when skyrim is coming out at the start of the vid. The tone he says it in is like "for christ-sake do you honestly still not know...."

I do appreciate your level-headed approach to this, and you make a good point, but at some level, a developers games should speak for themselves. Todd doesn't need to say much because he says all he needs with his work. He'll never need to defend TES because he makes sure they are the greatest games to date when he finally releases them. Its that attention to detail/ six years working on a game/ perfectionism that people respect and admire. If Jaffe's been criticized, instead of ranting and trying to defend his minority view he should take those criticisms into consideration and adjust his games to better appeal to his gamer customers, because as Todd pointed out, those are the only people who matter, the ones who they are supposed to be entertaining. And just a side-note, remember that in the beginning TES was definitely not a staple or anything like the mainstream games of the time. Each one of them has been mold-breaking and advanced the industry. That said, I don't want to come off as opposing you, I really liked your post

Well said and thanks.
Yeah, I agree that Elder Scrolls has established that foothold of a great game. Hence, why I'm on this forum. I support their titles because of their work and well-minded construction of a game.

Jaffe did construct God of War which was a great game, imo. It sold well too. It's also a genre which is very intresting that being Greek mythology. I think Jaffe did good by that. I think Jaffe has a good concept that car combat can be fun, but when people don't buy into that, it can be frustrating. I know how he feels. I've always liked car combat games, but not too many get made. They always get shunned. So, I can understand his views in regard to his Twisted Metal franchise. Imagine, if all of a sudden, Elder Scrolls went out of the public's view. If only a certain fanbase enjoyed their game, there'd be less likelyhood for companies to support the idea or vision of the Elder Scrolls. It could really hurt the Elder Scrolls. The same applies to Twisted Metal. Consumers, publishers, and companies see car combat as little to no interest but in actuality, if done right, it could be fun, and odds are, where car combat is going to excel is in gameplay. Perhaps, this shows in as a some bias in Jaffe's opinions. For example, the movie Death Race was about vehicular combat which translates to action. That's where it excelled. Translate this over to video games, and this "action" applies to the gameplay. Car combat is more about gameplay or "action" than story as it's hard to create a convincing story, although I do like Twisted Metal's demented story arcs. Like I said, his bias may come from that. Combine this with his extroverted personality, him being the minority, and the frustration of seeing his franchise, -his "baby" so to speak- becoming a forgotten genre, I can understand his position. TBH, I think Jaffe expressed himself very well compared to the others. He elaborated a bit more and let his passion take ahold of him, although he should have been more formal.

And Todd's demeanor, I too would be more calm knowing that my game is well-recieved. The past few games have been very well recieved, and plus, the hype Skyrim is getting should put him into a comfortable position. He had every reason to say little to nothing, and dare I say, he should have been more prepared? In addition, Imagine if Skyrim wasn't getting as much attention as Todd wanted. Do you think his demeanor may have changed? Being well-recieved versus being unknown can impact one's demeanor.

Any which way, I'm not going to point fingers. Each brought a different perspective and outlook which is good to have.

Argh I sat through E3 with that idiot doing interviews -.- He seems to have his favourites especially with Sony. Any PS interview he'd put a ribbon around and the other interviews with Xbox and Wii he'd ask really awkward questions (please don't flame :whistling:). Anyway, I think this is OT:

Jaffe is passionate about his ideas, but to me it seems like he wants to make games that you just play and don't experience. I love games that you can be immersed in and I just don't see how that's possible without story (with or without cutscenes). I know he did makes some really good games in the past, but for me they don't come anywhere near to as good as TES or Bioshock.

Although thinking about it, I bet A LOT of us have thrown GTA or Saints Row in the disc tray just to run rampage and shoot stuff. Maybe that's what he's getting at? He just prefers games where he can put it in play and pass some time and enjoy the gameplay for what it is without being sidetracked into some story. Even though I've never finished a Saints Row or GTA storyline to date, I rarely do that with games. 'cos for me a game with a good story allows me to generate emotion and finishing a story in a game gives me just as good a feeling as reading the last line of an awesome book.

But that's just me. We're all different and Jaffe CLEARLY prefers not to get tied into immersion/emotion. Not too sure on his way of expressing it though, he was generally rude and seemed to make the others uncomfortable. Enjoyed the video, thanks for the post even though apparently it's a repeat :tongue: (I didn't see the original)

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg43/scaled.php?server=43&filename=toddwatching.png&res=medium

"Where did you find that, That's good!"

I just made it

it is old but thanks


Jaffe told some of the best developers in the business that he had their games pegged without playing them lol. Gametrailers put him on the interview not because of his achievements, but because his controversial and somewhat arrogant statements. He is like that college student that dresses in messed up clothing and dreadlocks thinking that his is enlightened about everything. I never really care for david much.

That was interesting and a cool video. Thanks :thumbsup: Todd was kinda ignroed though which is annoying but :shrug:

Not really, I just think Todd is like an awkward nerd.

:rofl:

thanks

LOL!
It was only a matter of time before someone used that picture in a funny way :biggrin: Todd is the man :thumbsup:

Todd outclasses both those guys put together. The guy in the middle was pretty good. Guy on the left was too OCD for his own good.

i agree with todd abotu context, because if you give me no celebration when i win the superbowl, then where is the pride in the game??? there's nothing to win for other than getting to the menu with a brief message sayin "congratulations you are the superbowl champions!" no, thats boring, let me experience and be entertained by the aftermath my team has worked for the whole season.

David Jaffe is a gaming snob but he makes stuff like God of War, Twisted Metal, and cellphone games. Lol