Virus on PES?!

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:13 am

You may want to http://webtoolsandtips.com/pc-security/safe-internet-browser-which-is-the-safest-web-browser/. Like I said, I use firefox, but IE does indeed provide better security, spreading false info based purely on the consensus of your standard google user instead of on research is misleading. I'll keep using firefox because I like the browser's layout better, but IE, for now, has offers higher security.

To clarify, higher security may not mean safer, IE may be targeted more often by attacks than the other browsers, and therefore appear to have lower security, but appearances are decieving, IE does indeed block a higher % of attacks against it than any other browser and therefore has the BEST security though it may only be out of necessity.


This is a lot like the KDE vs Gnome argument...you can pull up a site referencing the virtues of one over the other both ways all day long. The fact is the internet is inherently unsafe and the security of your computer is your responsibility. It is always important to ensure that you have the correct utilities, and are performing the proper maintenance. And speaking from the point of view of a webmaster, if you notice anything slightly suspicious on a site, notify the administrator as quickly as possible.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:43 pm

This is a lot like the KDE vs Gnome argument...you can pull up a site referencing the virtues of one over the other both ways all day long. The fact is the internet is inherently unsafe and the security of your computer is your responsibility. It is always important to ensure that you have the correct utilities, and are performing the proper maintenance. And speaking from the point of view of a webmaster, if you notice anything slightly suspicious on a site, notify the administrator as quickly as possible.



Best advice I've heard so far.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:16 pm

I'm a big believer in manual selection of cookies, a FF exclusive. Some viruses, not all, get
a start or foothold from the placement of cookies on your OS.

The second you think you have a problem or you get a strange window that won't close or
X out, pull your internet connection, and try to use task manager to end process. If that doesn't
work then do a hard shutdown immediately. DON'T even click the suspected window's cancel
choice because in some cases this will be an accept. I've even seen some cases where even
the x-out in the upper right activates the virus, so be careful. Best to use task manager.
This is our biggest area of income at the shop, fixing contaminated pc's.
The biggest source of viruses? Unknown E-mails.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:26 am

The biggest source of viruses? Unknown E-mails.



It's funny because I've never got an unknown email in my life :shrug: and I'm with hotmail :lol:
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:28 pm

I've been going to PES all day, and nothing like you described has happened to me. I'm running Firefox 3.5.7, with AdBlock Plus and NoScript.


Why not 3.6?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:43 pm

You may want to http://webtoolsandtips.com/pc-security/safe-internet-browser-which-is-the-safest-web-browser/.

Comparing a RC against stable release isn't exactly fair. However, as Fligg said you can find a study supporting whatever you want.

but appearances are decieving, IE does indeed block a higher % of attacks against it than any other browser and therefore has the BEST security though it may only be out of necessity.

I am fairly sure Lynx would do far better than IE.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:41 pm

what you browse causes the security issues far more than what you browse with.




This is a lot like the KDE vs Gnome argument...you can pull up a site referencing the virtues of one over the other both ways all day long. The fact is the internet is inherently unsafe and the security of your computer is your responsibility. It is always important to ensure that you have the correct utilities, and are performing the proper maintenance. And speaking from the point of view of a webmaster, if you notice anything slightly suspicious on a site, notify the administrator as quickly as possible.


I'm pretty sure I eluded to the internet not being safe in that line, then again, I'm quite tired..... :P But I agree completely, its not the browser, but the user that needs to take responsibility for maintaining their system.

I'm sorry if my gibberish was off topic. Now back to your regularly scheduled programs.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:34 am

Maybe this explains why my browser wouldn't load PES the last few days...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:20 pm

For people who are afraid to use PES to send me a message, I can also be reached on here ;)

Nikki, I'm afraid I'll need some more info about what happened to you. From the info you've given I haven't been able to locate the problem. On which page exactly did it occur (URL) and where did the PDF come from?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:17 pm

For people who are afraid to use PES to send me a message, I can also be reached on here ;)

Nikki, I'm afraid I'll need some more info about what happened to you. From the info you've given I haven't been able to locate the problem. On which page exactly did it occur (URL) and where did the PDF come from?

I got a similar thing
if I remember correctly I pressed back to go back to either half races of tamriel or one of the MCA LITE versions from file planet
it actually seemed to cut into the loading and pretended to be a windows virus alert
it did the warning loop and I had to set up task manager to close it.
on firefox, vista, adobe.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:25 pm

Ok, yesterday I submitted a mod to PES and suddenly some sort of PDF started running and I was attacked by a pretty nasty virus pretending to be antivirus software. I figured it must have been some other site I visited earlier, since PES seems to be a pretty reliable site.

But just now I was checking the comments of the mod I uploaded and yet again got the PDF thing and another virus (this time, thankfully it was blocked)

Is it just me or what?



I get something similar at Photobucket.com mainly at night where at the start of every hour a message comes up about being infected with a virus then it pretends to be automatically scanning my system even bringing up a fake page with folders like you would see if going into your My Computer section. The only way to get out of it without clicking on anything in the ad is to bring up the Task Manager and disconnect from the internet which stops the ad from doing anything further.

Thanks for the warning nikki.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:48 pm

I get something similar at Photobucket.com mainly at night where at the start of every hour a message comes up about being infected with a virus then it pretends to be automatically scanning my system even bringing up a fake page with folders like you would see if going into your My Computer section. The only way to get out of it without clicking on anything in the ad is to bring up the Task Manager and disconnect from the internet which stops the ad from doing anything further.

Thanks for the warning nikki.



Could be photobucket is to blame. Now that I think of it, I did have my photobucket page open at the time.

It was called "Antivirus Live" btw.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:26 pm

I may or may not have
but the tab that was affected was the PES one
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:05 am

I use IE all the time and in fact its about all I use to surf the web, do I get any viruses, no I dont. But I use other security software besides that built into IE. McAfee, Zone Alarm Pro, Malwarebytes, and Prevx CSI I have to protect me and I have no idea when the last time I had a virus was or any malicious program. The few times something has appared(possibly an average of no more then 1 per month) have all been successfully blocked. Hmm upon thinking about it, I also used a toolbar that would tell me if somewhere was safe or not but stopped using because it was a little over zealous. McAfee for viruses, Zone Alarm for firewall, Malwarebytes for malware, and Prevx for rootkits etc. A combo of these helps block spyware etc, although I forget which does the work specifically(I think mabe zone alarm). I did get a nasty rootkit once, thats when I got prevx, took care of it, havent had one since.

Do you get viruses you know about? Maybe not. Do you get viruses you don't know about? Those are the ones you have to worry about.
And your arguements just reinforces my point about IE (thank you). You have to run IE... And McAfee... And ZoneAlarm (Pro)... And MalwareBytes... And Prevx CSI.
Wouldn't it be easier just to run NoScript and AdBlock Plus, within Firefox? Wouldn't it be faster?
Also, the cost of running 4 AV apps, at least 2 of which I think have subscriptions of some sort, versus the cost of running two Firefox plugins. Don't try that in your calculator, it'll give you a syntax error.
Now, I'm not saying don't use AV. I use Comodo or AVG (depends on the day and which has been virus-vaulting my files the most recently) and ZoneAlarm or a decent DMZ system, but one of two free, light-weight AV programs and a couple free, light-weight FF plugins gives me equivalent or better protection than what you've paid your soul for (in speed and cash).

The only unfortunate side effect is that it takes longer to start my computer and McAfee uses some resources(not much). Used to start in 30 seconds flat, now takes about 1.5-2 minutes.


That's a factor of... 3-4x? Let's see, going by that, and a rough starting time of 1-2 minutes (from power button to login completed and all services/background apps initialized), which isn't too ridiculously slow for a well-used system, we're looking at up to 8 minutes just to start the seventeen layers of antivirus you have to run because you don't have a decent browser. Personally, the 2 minutes it would take to download and install Firefox (the vast majority taken up by typing firefox into the address bar) seems like a darn good tradeoff. IMO.
Not even to mention the drastic decrease in crashes between IE and FF.

Even if you want to claim IE is more secure, FF is still faster and has more features (the fact they could combine those proves it's superior).

To clarify, higher security may not mean safer, IE may be targeted more often by attacks than the other browsers, and therefore appear to have lower security, but appearances are decieving, IE does indeed block a higher % of attacks against it than any other browser and therefore has the BEST security though it may only be out of necessity.


(I still disagree with IE having better security, even just from my few times toying with both from that perspective, but for the sake of arguement)
IE versus FF is like living behind steel plating in the inner city instead of having a nice sunroom in the country.
Why take a route that is more secure, but out of necessity? Why not avoid the attacks altogether?

I am fairly sure Lynx would do far better than IE.

Web 0.1 FTW. :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:13 pm

what you browse causes the security issues far more than what you browse with.


I couldn't agree more.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:40 pm

Now, I'm not saying don't use AV. I use Comodo or AVG (depends on the day and which has been virus-vaulting my files the most recently) and ZoneAlarm or a decent DMZ system, but one of two free, light-weight AV programs and a couple free, light-weight FF plugins gives me equivalent or better protection than what you've paid your soul for (in speed and cash).

I don't run anything. I don't run Ad-Block, NoScript and AV and only have a hardware firewall. No issues. (I don't run windows that much though :shrug:)


Plus, NoScript is a utter pain. I want a plugin that blocks JavaScript from domains other than the one I am on.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:02 pm

Does anyone have a safe download link to something better than Adobe Reader?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:49 pm

IE has less security than any other browser, including Lynx. It's also slower (the script and rendering engines both are significantly slower) and less stable than others (not even considering the memory leaks it's had for the last 3 or 4 versions, which M$ conveniently ignores).
Last I read, a bunch of decent hackers went to work on the latest versions of the 3 browsers (IE, FF, and Chrome). IE lasted under a second, FF 2 or 3, and Chrome almost 15.
The simple reasoning is IE desperately needs a core rewrite to bring it up to date, it still has remnants of IE 4 and 5 in it. It's lagging behind in features (tabs were added long after everyone else had them) and plugins are only kinda-sorta there ("accelerators", many made by Microsoft and slow and limited). IE's security flaws are it's only claim to fame.
Firefox is not nearly as fast as it used to be, but has full support for plugins (it's main strong point). It's also far more secure than IE, with patches fixing problems far faster (usually within a day, as opposed to be an average of something like 3 days for IE). Also, on Windows, I'm pretty sure FF can run ActiveX (I think it had a plugin for that).
Chrome is the fastest of the 3, but that's because it's also the simplest. It has no plugins or advanced features, and has been reported to have problems with AJAX and other scripting stuffs.

In general, Firefox is best if you use the web heavily. It has a number of security addons (and isn't bad off, security-wise, to begin with) and is the only full-featured browser.
If you just need to look something up, Chrome is definitely fastest.

Internet Explorer is good for.... Um, well... Actually, I'm not sure yet. Maybe someone will eventually find something it's useful for. Just let me (or my great-great-grandchildren) know if you do.

Yes it does.

Does anyone have a safe download link to something better than Adobe Reader?

Read the thread.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:31 am

I've never had a problem with Acrobat Reader, and I totally agree that what you browse is far more important than what you browse with. I use IE for work and FF at home - and really the difference between the two is that my FF is pink with purple buttons. :P

Seriously, report it to APY, or I'll report it to APY. Really unfair to blame his site when it might have been "NaughtyGirlsMudWrestling.com" wot dun it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:42 am

Considering where I work I could take issue with that but I won't bother anymore than I would bother extolling the many virtues of my own preferred browser. Apy knows that Nikki had a bit of an issue and that's the important bit.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 pm

Seriously, report it to APY, or I'll report it to APY. Really unfair to blame his site when it might have been "NaughtyGirlsMudWrestling.com" wot dun it.



Yeah, we exchanged messages where I went into greater detail about what happened. Like I said, I havent had anymore problems with the site, and it very well could have been photobucket, since I also had it open.

Besides, I havent visited naughtymudwrestilng.com since I downloaded the entire site rip! :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:51 pm

Yeah, we exchanged messages where I went into greater detail about what happened. Like I said, I havent had anymore problems with the site, and it very well could have been photobucket, since I also had it open.

Besides, I havent visited naughtymudwrestilng.com since I downloaded the entire site rip! :D



Photobucket attacks me every so often (not when viewing my
own albums, but when I click on other members albums); I
get a trojan.blahblahblah when this happens (but my antivirus
zaps it in a hurry). This is why I endorse direct picture linking,
rather than album linking (just a personal stance there). So, it
very likely could have been PB :nod: .
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:06 am

Actually it wouldn't even be their fault. Just some looser with nothing better to do attaching viruses
to random sights. All to often people are quick to blame smutty sights when I've seen more warnings
come from little kids gaming sights. Most the sick pc's I fix at the shop get so from e-mails and so
called reputable sights.

LOL...I guess what I'm saying princess is I watch my share of "NaughtyGirlsMudWrestling" and
have never ever had a single problem, and my niece goes to Disney at gets infected. Go fig. :shrug:


Really unfair to blame his site when it might have been "NaughtyGirlsMudWrestling.com" wot dun it.

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:03 pm

I wouldn't blame album linking either. No offense to the PB users but
the sight is really an inferior host. The layout is awful and you cant
choose and design layouts. It's a virus haven as well, the way its scripted.

I know a lot of folks don't have 23.00 dollars a year to join but Pbase
is by far the best and secure sight on the net hands down. I've been
subscribed to them for years and store many clients archives on there
and never had any problems or complaint from people ever getting
attacked by viruses and what not.

IMHO $23.00 a year is very cheap for such a secure and well laid out sight.

Photobucket attacks me every so often (not when viewing my
own albums, but when I click on other members albums); I
get a trojan.blahblahblah when this happens (but my antivirus
zaps it in a hurry). This is why I endorse direct picture linking,
rather than album linking (just a personal stance there). So, it
very likely could have been PB :nod: .

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:09 pm

I wouldn't blame album linking either. No offense to the PB users but
the sight is really an inferior host. The layout is awful and you cant
choose and design layouts. It's a virus haven as well, the way its scripted.


Man, I just want a place to post pictures and not have to worry about it. I guess the saying is true, theres no such thing as a free lunch.
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