In doing so he makes people worship him for it. He wouldnt have done it otherwise. Vehk is all about ego.

So?

And Tiber Septim did destroy himself with it. It tore up the Enatiomorph of Ysmir, Wulfarth and Arctus, so in essence killing Tiber Septim. If someone twists the language, it's easier just to call him a liar, than finding the truth in the words.

I have to say; so? Every god in TES draws power from worship, it dosen't mean they're ego"maniacal" at all.

The "so?" card was already played. Like you stated, the other gods are big on there egos. So is vivec. I like to think of him as Mr. Ego.

Am I personally offending you by saying Vivec has an ego? If so, tell me and I'll stop. I dont want to hurt feelings here.

So they have power levels? If that's the case, why aren't they all playing the middle ground for converts?

Sheogorath is lucky then. POWER LEVELS OVER NINE THOUSAND?!?!

One thing I've never heard is Daedric gods vying for worshipers, which is odd considering they apparently do gain power from worship.

Mortals are a dime a dozen, and they give out so often that it isnt worth the effort to fight over them.

Vehk gets power from worship? Too bad he's not actually a god.

The Tribunal Temple was by far the dominant religion in Morrowind while the Tribunal was around. They did not tolerate dissention or conflicting beliefs. Not to mention the whole "love keeps the big rock from crashing" thing. But the bulk of Vivec's divine powers stemmed from his connection with the Heart; worship only increased his power.

You havent been paying attention in your cosmology class. Mortals are like "Deity Lite"-- Great taste, and less fill-- er.... They are the offspring of Gods, and theoretically COULD be gods with a little boost, or if they were to realize their true power.


It is one of the reasons the Merish races HATE the mundus so much.

They do slightly. Both Aedra and Daedra offer quests to their followers, bestow blessings or artifacts for fulfilling those quests or for praying and offering sacrifices at their shrines and larger temples attain blessings with greater easier than smaller ones...

I didn't what you meant by half of that. But Vivec has an ego, but he's a god. So would anyone who was a god. But Vivec is all about ego? No, I don't think so. If you speak to him after you have defeaten Ur and cut the Tribunal from their power, he says that he dosen't mind and looks forward to being a mortal again.

How DARE you blaspheme about the Arenotelicon!!!

I think someone has uagino-penile envy... <_<

Same way people lose in a video game and hide there anger by saying it didn't matter to them. Vivec had no choice now. Did he want to be a mortal....really? Or was he saying that because he had no choice. In the trial his ass became one with Aetherius...thats not being mortal.

Vehk isn't as great as a lot of people make him out to be, and thats one of the things I liked about him. Lets try not to sugar coat the great thief here. He's a liar, a word bender, and a false god.

I still don't buy into the whole "false god" deal. How can you be a false god when you've basically just succeeded in The Endeavor? Isn't that the entire point of Mundus?

If we want to get to the complicated mention of that we can just say everyone can do it. And if everyone is a god, then whats a god?

If every day is a sunny day, then whats a sunny day?

And if he achieves the "I am" we all know he has to be more into himself then most.

How can he be a "false" god? Because he used to be mortal? Hell, the ORIGINAL gods technically aren't the original gods anymore and those pieces of crap not only Broke the Dragon but took 1008 years out of time AND a piece of geography, the bastards.

The whole "word bender" and "liar" bit is pretty subjective to me too; he just does the annoying practice of speaking in riddles, which technically isn't bad. Just really annoying.

Vivec is mainly great because he metaphorically/literally face-[censored] some chick who created an entire prophecy to kill him and his compatriots, because honestly...isn't that what we ALL want in life? Vivec is also the First-or-Second person to acheive CHIM and arguably taught the Second-or-First person to acheive it.

He's not a false god. He is a very real god, as is Ayem, Seht and Dagoth Ur. They broke the dragon so they were always gods. And I believe that they are still gods, and we just say the avatars that were being more and more seperated from their godly forms. Like Mannimarco. And lest we forget the Aedra, or Divines were also all once mortal. The "False God" thing is just anti-Tribunal propaganda spewed from Azura.

Everyone. That's sort of the point...


Every day is a sunny day if you're a cloud. (Believe it or not, this is actually meant as a serious answer.)


It's either that or the self-abnegation of Zero-Sum. Make the world one with yourself or make yourself one with nothing. I know which I prefer.


Mastering and neutralising that part of yourself that works toward your own failure and downfall? Yeah, that's a respectable goal. Personally, I'd have picked slightly less icky symbolism, but that's Vehk for you. Actually, on reflection, that particular symbolism probably says more about MK than it does about Vehk (even though they are, in a very important sense, the same person).

It's as if people haven't realized yet that every character in all their games is Tiber Septim. And if you're playing their game, you're Tiber Septim too!

I know....and you seemed to fail to realize mine....


Then I guess those sunny days would be known as just "days" if your a cloud.




Yeah, but not everyone can avoid zero-sum, it'd be easy to say it for us since its a game and all, but if you found out your reality did not exist and you were really nothing but the figment of a godhead then it'd be harder to face the facts and still have the will to say you still are.


CHIM and all that bidness is easy.



Breaking dragons doesn't mean anything, [censored] with time still means that he did what he did. I for one don't buy into the "...That guy who killed Nerevar? Pffff.....thats not me. That was the other me.....yeah...there different."

Old Vivec boy's power began waning when the heart was destroyed, so he never really was a God then huh? Even when [censored] with time he could not retain his power.

Perhaps you are right there, they still retained power. If Vehk knew what he was doing, so there's no reason for him to be angry, he wasn't angry.

It wasn't a matter of wanting to be mortal again, but accepting the fact that things had to be done. Definately, I'd say that Vehk would have liked to have remained in the state if he could.

Exactly!

*smokebomb and disappears*

Isn't that exactly the same thing?

But he might not achieved CHIM if he didn't become a mortal again. Can gods achieve CHIM? He is still the most powerful being in Tamriel, possibly NIRN, and even the Aurbis.


So changing the time line doesn't change anything? And Vivec always lies, even when is wearing the Water Mask.

Did you not read my post in entirity. There is Vehk the mortal and Vehk the god. And I ask you, then who is a god. Is Akatosh a god, oh wait, he died. How about Shezarr, oh yeah. Kyne? No, she's dead. Ysmir? No, he's dead too. Since when did being a mortal bar a person in TES from being a god? That is why Ayem, Seht and Vehk were gods from the beginning, and are always going to be gods. And is Bar Daan still hanging over the city of Vivec, the prime of Vehk's godliness, still there. And doesn't the Clockwork City still exist, and Levitation still banned in Mournhold. If they were truely not gods, everything they had done as gods would disappear.