Vivec killed Tiber Septim : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:10 pm

False gods? n00bs lol

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:14 pm

Did you not read my post in entirity. There is Vehk the mortal and Vehk the god. And I ask you, then who is a god. Is Akatosh a god, oh wait, he died. How about Shezarr, oh yeah. Kyne? No, she's dead. Ysmir? No, he's dead too. Since when did being a mortal bar a person in TES from being a god? That is why Ayem, Seht and Vehk were gods from the beginning, and are always going to be gods. And is Bar Daan still hanging over the city of Vivec, the prime of Vehk's godliness, still there. And doesn't the Clockwork City still exist, and Levitation still banned in Mournhold. If they were truely not gods, everything they had done as gods would disappear.

I would say that the bit about god from the beginning of time is folklore to make it easier to accept Vivec as a God. Even the Gods went from mortal to god and back to mortal.

So there really isn't anything that makes anybody a god except people willing to believe that there is one.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:18 pm

Vivec:
But surely that same history records my role in the Armistace, specifically those measures whereupon Septim was granted the Numidium?

Striker:
Well...yes.

Vivec:
I rest my case.

The use of the Numidium was Tiber's undoing!

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:23 pm

I would say that the bit about god from the beginning of time is folklore to make it easier to accept Vivec as a God. Even the Gods went from mortal to god and back to mortal.

So there really isn't anything that makes anybody a god except people willing to believe that there is one.

And Vivec will continue to be a god untill people stop believing in/loving him. And they he will cause the Landfall.

Or at least, that is what he wants us to believe.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:34 pm

And Vivec will continue to be a god untill people stop believing in/loving him. And they he will cause the Landfall.

Or at least, that is what he wants us to believe.

And then they will start believing in him again as he warned them, and he was right. And he will be a god once more.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:30 pm

There will most probably emerge a ressurection cult of the Tribunal. Like Lorkhan, all the popular deities get their own ressurection cult in the end.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:16 pm

You havent been paying attention in your cosmology class. Mortals are like "Deity Lite"-- Great taste, and less fill-- er.... They are the offspring of Gods, and theoretically COULD be gods with a little boost, or if they were to realize their true power.
It is one of the reasons the Merish races HATE the mundus so much.

That's an elven beleif. There's really nothing for it, since the oft-refrenced "beauty of ES" thing with the whole "decide for yourself what you think is true" bit that came along with "live another life."

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:21 pm

And then they will start believing in him again as he warned them, and he was right. And he will be a god once more.

So its basically gonna be like a Freddy Krueger thing? Faaantastic lol.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:37 am

Vivec did kill Tiber Septim.

"Ayem said, 'Out of nine you will find only eight, though they be mighty. The last is already destroyed by your decision to create the Book of Hours." (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#18)

"And it was of the Tower that my emperor wanted to hear. He was dying and I loved him yet. He, too, was a Master and so I knew that he realized just how big a realm that the Tower encompassed. I am sure that when I meet the Warrior and Arctus again, they will have brought similar burdens. My guesses are the Lord and Ritual, but I do not know and would be delighted to be wrong." (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml#2)

___TWM

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:16 pm

So he WAS traditionally killed, right?

I always saw Vivec's last statements in the Partial Interview as going along the lines of "history is written by the winners" rather than "he killed him by giving him an item that screwed him over," in other words, killing him indirectly. Honestly, why would you write down that literally the Empire's first and greatest hero was killed by someone else?

That wold be like saying George Washington was a British prosttute.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:31 am

So he WAS traditionally killed, right?

I always saw Vivec's last statements in the Partial Interview as going along the lines of "history is written by the winners" rather than "he killed him by giving him an item that screwed him over," in other words, killing him indirectly. Honestly, why would you write down that literally the Empire's first and greatest hero was killed by someone else?

That wold be like saying George Washington was a British prosttute.

The person who wrote The Arcturian Heresy had no problem with that sort of thing. Then again, I don't think its an accurate account.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 pm

That wold be like saying George Washington was a British prosttute.

You mean he wasn't?!!

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:08 am

So he WAS traditionally killed, right?

I always saw Vivec's last statements in the Partial Interview as going along the lines of "history is written by the winners" rather than "he killed him by giving him an item that screwed him over," in other words, killing him indirectly. Honestly, why would you write down that literally the Empire's first and greatest hero was killed by someone else?

That wold be like saying George Washington was a British prosttute.

It's a Khajiit that writes down what Vehk says, so I doubt he'd be particulary worried about imperial censors. And, if I gave a man poison in his tea, and he died becuase of, would you say I killed him?