in oblivion , you hear stories of Vivec having gone missing. Possibly taken by the deadra.
My question is, what would the daedra want with Vivec, and why would they take him?

It doesn't really matter, because Vivec obviously wasn't taken by the daedra.

He took a Daedra actually. :chaos:

Owh and the answer is: "we don't have a [censored] clue".

How do you know that?

http://www.imperial-library.info/characters/trial_vivec.shtml

I know Mortazo isn't around, but I'll summon the straw man anyway. The idea that ten shoddily-written words of of badly-acted hearsay could ever serve to contradict the Trial is ludicrous. The Trial was not only a magnificent piece of hive-mind writing but a Harmonic Convergence of awesomeness and the highest form of whatever dev/fan community Bethesda has created with its lore.

:swear: :deal: :intergalactic: :grad:

So, why is there an Azura quest in Oblivion if she's been mouth-effed by Vivec? Maybe Vivec's power was futile against her and she went and dragged him off to Oblivion to beat some respect into his two-tone head?

gameplay reasons, most likely. 99% of people would be hella pissed if azura was not present, while .9% didnt give a poop and .1% thought it was cool that beth decided to follow lore. that is if beth even knew about the trial, its one of the more obscure obscure texts.

i think it is more likely that the effect simply wore off. the way i understand it vehk simply banished her from nirn and/or closed the gates to hear realm. since oblivion took place some time after the trial azura has had time to get back some of her powers of communication.

The Daedra cannot die, but Vivec's powers must wane.

Where's the conflict? The Census of Daedra Lords referenced the event and only said that Moonshadow is now inaccessible.

And then of course there's the fact that Oblivion is hell-bent on denying that any lore ever existed anywhere.

Edit: CHIM wanes? Yeah, because it's a lithium battery alright... :facepalm:

how come he was able to do that to azura when in shivering isles just touching sheogorath...well you know what happens

i dont know, but regardless, Vivec has achieved a state higher than Azura's (CHIM) so he can do what ever he pleases to her and the world.

Is that kind of like the Battlespire thing, where Dagon was banished then did his Daedra thing and came back?


As for the rumors in Oblivion, that's just one rumor, the one that hit Cyrodiil and caught on. I'm sure there are lots of rumors going around Morrowind as to what happened, with some around the eastern parts of Skyrim floating around, changing and getting more bizzare over time. And like what happened to Vivec, we may never wnd up hearing the other rumors for sure, since right now the people of Tamriel are probably more concerned with the impending political turmoil than the whereabouts of some false god from a backwater country filled with rude xenophobes and very few (but a couple) profitable exports.

Or maybe it is just a dream/nightmare a mere chimera of no import?

HA HA HA HA! :rofl:

Nice.


You mean like how Dagon has a quest in Morrowind when you name-[censored] him in Battlespire? They come back eventually.

Daedra cannot die. Well..they can..but they will return after they are killed. The Princes only though..

Nah. Daedra in general, sir. http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/

I gather its far more stressful for a minor daedra to be killed than it is for a Prince.

He achieved CHIM. The lesser Daedra can't even comprehend his current level of being, much less damage it.

One has to wonder if the authors considered when they published the 'Trial', who they were abusing with Muatra in effigy? ... and was she part of their group?

Why would you think they were abusing anyone?

Because he's a god, silly. :slap:

Vivec was a manufactured demi-god silly :slap: puffed up by stolen force that was only a fraction of the strength of the Heart and no match for even the Mortal proto-Saint and avatar the Nerevarine, so sadly weakened was Vivec by maintaining the Ghost Fence for all those centuries without the Heart to replenish his power. Without further access to the Heart he saw himself as fading to mortality and so the whole thing is more likely Vivec's sad wet dream than actual events. Want to make it even more real? Just a bunch of bored devs and others passing the time with an over-the-top, out-of-kilter roleplay based on the wishes of various and chewin over faded glories without really thinking through the mechanics. So they drew in a few cheats to take it where they wanted to go.

Do you think the Hero of Kvatch gets to any significant level whatsoever compared with the Nerevarine? If he does he would have taken Vivec down easily too. So why do you think the Hero of Kvatch did not get the chance to fight Mehrunes Dagon? Because Dagon would have creamed him. The big Dragon had to be called in to fight that battle. And the same would have happened if the Hero had tried to take on Azura who is also a powerful Daedric Prince - if not Prince of War. Therefore Vivec, while wise, was not in that league = someone's wet dream. :meh:

Vivec had CHIM before the loveletter, the concept is first established in the Sermons. therefore, the events of the Trial has plenty of validity.