Vvardenfell and Morrowind : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:51 am

Wasn't Vivec's flooding of Morrowind also how the Inner Sea was formed?

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:08 am

Wasn't Vivec's flooding of Morrowind also how the Inner Sea was formed?

I think.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:20 am

Think Krakatau instead.

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:05 am

Think Krakatau instead.

really? That's what formed it?

» Sat May 28, 2011 3:03 am

No, I'm pretty sure the eruption of Red Mountain only led to Sun's Death and probably a little more being added to the "crater" area around the mountain that was most likely there from when Lorkhan's Heart touched down. Now, my memory has been known to play tricks on me before, but I'm fairly sure that the Inner Sea was formed after the flooding drained out.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:33 am

Wasn't Vivec's flooding of Morrowind also how the Inner Sea was formed?

I think.

Dwemeri high priest Kagrenac then revealed that which he had built in the image of Vivec. It was a walking star, which burnt the armies of the Triune and destroyed the heartland of Veloth, creating the Inner Sea. - http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml

In my research of the very oldest Nord records, I found ancient maps which showed no island in the north of modern Morrowind -- just a region labeled "Dwemereth" which encompassed the island of Vvardenfell as we know it, as well as a rather wide swath of what is now the mainland. Indeed, as best as could be made out from the rather crude map, the coastline once extended some distance further north than Vvardenfell does now. - http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/ghanburighanarticle1.shtml

So from this there was no Inner Sea in the Middle Merethic and it was formed around the same time as the Battle on Red Mountain.

However, Topal seems to have sailed it first in the Early Merethic:

Here is a man who follows his orders explicitly, and knows that he should have been going south-east through river ways to reach Firsthold. Looking at his maps, we can see that he attempted to find passages through, as he has mapped out the Inner Sea of Morrowind, and several of the swampy tributaries of Black Marsh, no doubt being turned away by the disease and fierce Argonian tribes that dissuaded many other explorers after him. - http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/father_niben.shtml

Which seems to be another one of Topals mysterious historical inconsistencies. The other one being sightings of Orcs in Highrock before there where Orcs any Orcs at all.

As such, I reckon that the original Poem of Father of the Niben doesn't actually come from the Merethic Era, but from a much later time period. It being a http://www.hbo.com/rome/.

edit:

The alternative is that Nordic cartographers svck, Vivec was being poetic without reason and the Inner Sea was formed at the impact of a heavenly body and has been there ever since. Though this isn't quite as interesting as a Anumidium induced landscaping.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:12 pm

Red Mountain had erupted, causing the Sea of Ghosts in the north sea to flood into inner Morrowind. This happened long before V'vehk was alive and the Akaviri invasions.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:00 am

Crap, my memory was playing tricks on me again. I stand corrected.

EDIT: I would, however, still like to know which source you used for that, since the one from the sermons (as Proweler has shown) is apparently contemporary with the war of the first council and not "long before V'vehk was alive"

EDIT2: also, this post was initially in response to Proweler's post

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:55 am

So nobody actually read my post?

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:17 am

So nobody actually read my post?

Well, I did!

I don't understand where Kagrenac came in to it. I always thought the an eruption of Red Mountain caused the caldera to be filled with water...

And, are you sure you can use the Sermons as historical proof... for anything?

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:23 am

Well, I did!

I don't understand where Kagrenac came in to it. I always thought the second eruption of Red Mountain caused the caldera to be filled with water...

And, are you using the Sermons as historical proof, or alluding to some thing else?

The disappearance of the Dwemer, Kargrenac using the Tools on the Heart, the eruption of Red Mountain, a Dragon Broke, the Apotheosis of the Tribunal and the creation of the Inner sea all seem to coincide.

Considering the Numidium is related to all of these and is a http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=847555of destructive changes to the landscape (as well as other mytho-religious constructions) it seems to be the most likely cause.

Although that part of history is a mess when it comes to chronology. It's as if the Dragon Broke.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:13 pm

Aww, Proweler, you got me all excited. I thought that was a Skeleton Man quote.

Don't get me wrong, it's a valid argument, but I don't like to accept the Vvardenfell cataclysm and the Anuad's War of the Hist because in absence of corroboration and opposing viewpoints from other sources, they seem like mediocre fantasy with nothing interesting behind it. The Dunmer are obsessed with this period, and we should hear more about it than we do.

(Of course, if you manage to connect it to all those menhirs on the island, I'm your man)

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:26 am

Although that part of history is a mess when it comes to chronology. It's as if the Dragon Broke.

So, we're all correct then. Huzzah for inadequate gods.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:19 am

Aww, Proweler, you got me all excited. I thought that was a Skeleton Man quote.

So Kurt Khulman isn't good enough for you?

EDIT: I would, however, still like to know which source you used for that, since the one from the sermons (as Proweler has shown) is apparently contemporary with the war of the first council and not "long before V'vehk was alive"

Which source are you referring too?

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:33 am

So Kurt Khulman isn't good enough for you?

Wait- wah?
Is that an in-game quote or...
...did Devs wrote FSG articles? Or did we just put things there instead of Obscure Texts for some reason? Digame!

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:25 am

Wait- wah?
Is that an in-game quote or...
...did Devs wrote FSG articles? Or did we just put things there instead of Obscure Texts for some reason? Digame!

It's from the early days when the devs couldn't shut up about Morrowind.

GBG wrote the survey and Haspath helped a little. See Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars).rar in http://www.imperial-library.info/forum_archive/index.shtml.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:55 pm

Which source are you referring too?

That was directed at Lord Hyamentar actually... man, looking back over that post I did not direct my statements well.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:21 am

It's from the early days when the devs couldn't shut up about Morrowind.

GBG wrote the survey and Haspath helped a little. See Letters from the imperial geographic survey expedition (Forum Scholars).rar in http://www.imperial-library.info/forum_archive/index.shtml.

That makes me feel nostalgic for something I never actually saw (arguably a secondary definition, but whatever). Nu-Mantia was cool and all, but man, it makes me wish I wasn't still reading Dragonlance and Drizzt novels back then.