Wait. is Akatosh the only real God of the Nine Divines?

Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:50 pm

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i was searching things about alduin on TES:wikia when i read something that made me instantly say "Whoa!".So in this article: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Gods it's sayng that the worship of the eight divides is not accepted in numerous empires,like in the Thalmor's and in the Dwarvens.Homever Akatosh can bee seing in almost all religions and mythologys,and of course we can see his actions on Nirn.Like:

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-Alduin trying to destroy the world in the Fourth Era.

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-The Warp in the West(or Numinidium).

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-The coming of the Aedra.

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-He showing himself at the battle with Mehrunes Dagon.[/spolier]
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-He appear's himself to Alessia(the instituinor of the religion).

[spoiler]I may be wrong but only Akatosh majorly interacted with Nirn,while the other divines only appeard in "supposed dreams".But let's not forget Lorkhan,that in obvilion himself says that he stoled the planet of Nirn from the plane of Dagon.Causing his attemps to conquer Nirn.

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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:18 pm

TES religion is kinda confusing. I've never really understood everything about it.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:44 pm

Both Talos and Mara show up in Morrowind. For not being "real," they sure made a convincing act.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:55 pm

TES religion is kinda confusing. I've never really understood everything about it.

Certanly.How can be there tons of religions while the worship of the Nine divines and of the Daedra is real?
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(sometimes they are seen as gods in some religons like in the Dwarvens)

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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:41 pm

See its more likely that Akatosh is a Supreme Divine, while the other 8 Divines are ascended divines. You have the shines which grant you each of the Divine's "Boon". If taken literally as a transference of power, the divines have some type of power that transcends the mortal plane. However, it could be simply that other races see them as Ascended Mortals and not Divine Beings. The Daedric Princes could be seen in a similar light, however, there is lore to suggest a bunch of different theories regarding the Daedra.

Also, I think Skyrim illustrated that:

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Alduin was an extremely powerful being, but not a god

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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:02 am

It reflects how Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses are all variants of the same religion.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:01 am

All of the nine divines are gods, the Aedra are the gods that created Nirn however and not all of the nine divines are truly aedra and not all the aedra are in the nine divines. If you want to go back into the creator of everything, that is two forces which are change and stasis which are personified as Padomay(aka Sithis by the dark brotherhood) and Anu.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:32 pm

See its more likely that Akatosh is a Supreme Divine, while the other 8 Divines are ascended divines. You have the shines which grant you each of the Divine's "Boon". If taken literally as a transference of power, the divines have some type of power that transcends the mortal plane. However, it could be simply that other races see them as Ascended Mortals and not Divine Beings. The Daedric Princes could be seen in a similar light, however, there is lore to suggest a bunch of different theories regarding the Daedra.

Also, I think Skyrim illustrated that:

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Alduin was an extremely powerful being, but not a god


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Yep,and himself says that he is the First-Born of akatosh.Or that he is the first son of akatosh,this is why he is soo powerfull,but not enough to destroy the world with 1 word.That was a little dissapointing in the Lore terms.

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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:28 am

It reflects how Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Mormonism, and Jehovah's Witnesses are all variants of the same religion.


Islam, Judaism and Christianity are the interpretations of the Divine. They are more the sucession of each religion then the variant. I dont want to go into a biug debate on it so ill try to make it as simple as I understand it.

Judaism is the belief the Messaih hasnt come

Christianity is the Belief that the Messiah has come and will come again

Islam is the belief that the Messiah has come again (Not totally sure on this one)

They are a succession, each religion believes in what the last one purported but refutes the next (except Islam, being the last in the line).

Variants would be more your Protestant, Jehivah's Witnesses, Ascetic Jews, Hebraism, and your various heavy to light interpretations of Islam.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:58 pm

All of the nine divines are gods, the Aedra are the gods that created Nirn however and not all of the nine divines are truly aedra and not all the aedra are in the nine divines. If you want to go back into the creator of everything, that is two forces which are change and stasis which are personified as Padomay(aka Sithis by the dark brotherhood) and Anu.

I don't think that as being true.We can see this two powerfull beings as an example in the real world.Let's think that lucifier is in fact, an leader of a powerfull African empire,or an Alien that is the owner of the Earth(just saynig),and he meet's God,that in this case, is the Leader of an European empire(or an Alien that owns marth).And they booth hate each other because of the abichnce,or because they want the booth empire for themselves.So they fought a great war,and everybody dies.The survivors tell legends to small tribes that a great war was fought,with powerful weapons that almost destroyed the world(let's think that those weapons in the human empire case is a catapult).And so this tribes think's that those booth powers were God's that fought each other.
That's why in the article it says that Sithis dies and was married to the "Night mother".
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:05 pm

I don't think that as being true.We can see this two powerfull beings as an example in the real world.Let's think that lucifier is in fact, an African leader of a powerfull empire,or an Alien that is the owner of the Earth(just saynig),and he meet's God,that in this case, is the Leader of an European empire(or an Alien that owns marth).And they booth hate each other because of the abichnce,or because they want the booth empire for themselves.So they fought a great war,and everybody dies.The survivors tell legends to small tribes that a great war was fought,with powerful weapons that almost destroyed the world(let's think that those weapons in the human empire case is a catapult).And so this tribes think's that those booth powers were God's that fought each other.
That's why in the article it says that Sithis dies and was married to the "Night mother".


The articles lie, Padomay and Anu are just personifications and not actually beings at all, tho they are represented as beings, they're chaotic forces of the void specifically they're change and stasis and they do not war. What you suggest would be similar to saying that gravity has died (some people do actually speculate that gravity maybe the grand force in this universe that created everything, including Stephen Hawkins) which can not happen because it is not actually alive to begin with, it just is. As such Padomay and Anu can not die because they're not alive, they are things that just exist as forces.

Lore in TES is purposefully confused as such so that people do not understand them however the people closest to Padomay, the dark brotherhood who call him Sithis understand that he is not an Aedra or a Deadra but something entirely different and they understand this because he isn't even a being, he is the force of change.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:01 am

Islam, Judaism and Christianity are the interpretations of the Divine. They are more the sucession of each religion then the variant. I dont want to go into a biug debate on it so ill try to make it as simple as I understand it.

Judaism is the belief the Messaih hasnt come

Christianity is the Belief that the Messiah has come and will come again

Islam is the belief that the Messiah has come again (Not totally sure on this one)

They are a succession, each religion believes in what the last one purported but refutes the next (except Islam, being the last in the line).

Variants would be more your Protestant, Jehivah's Witnesses, Ascetic Jews, Hebraism, and your various heavy to light interpretations of Islam.


Exactly, only Islam recognises the final messanger while at the same time acknowledging all the previous ones.i.e. Jesus.


The Divines are kind of like this, making the whole Thalmore political war an interesting one.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:34 am

TES religion is kinda confusing. I've never really understood everything about it.


This. I sometimes feel like I need to take an actual course (in a classroom) to learn everything there is to learn about TES relgions, and let's not even start the subject of TES lore.
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:00 am

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i was searching things about alduin on TES:wikia when i read something that made me instantly say "Whoa!".So in this article: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Gods it's sayng that the worship of the eight divides is not accepted in numerous empires,like in the Thalmor's and in the Dwarvens.Homever Akatosh can bee seing in almost all religions and mythologys,and of course we can see his actions on Nirn.Like:

Spoiler
-Alduin trying to destroy the world in the Fourth Era.

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-The Warp in the West(or Numinidium).

Spoiler
-The coming of the Aedra.

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-He showing himself at the battle with Mehrunes Dagon.[/spolier]
Spoiler
-He appear's himself to Alessia(the instituinor of the religion).

[spoiler]I may be wrong but only Akatosh majorly interacted with Nirn,while the other divines only appeard in "supposed dreams".But let's not forget Lorkhan,that in obvilion himself says that he stoled the planet of Nirn from the plane of Dagon.Causing his attemps to conquer Nirn.



All of the Aedra (and Daedra) are very real and have an existence independant on who believes in them or not.

Most of those things you mention were caused by man tampering with the god, not the other way around.
Akatosh as he is now did not even exist before Alessia and the Marukhati Selectives.
They tried to remove merish influences from Auri-El in order to create a god suitable for the Empire.
The dragon break this caused lasted one thousand and eight years, and after that Akatosh had always existed as he is now.

The Warp in the West was a smaller dragon break, caused by messing with the the Numidium.

It is not so much that Akatosh causes or desires these events, it is more like a man made event and the laws of nature restoring themselves.
Like using your hands to make waves in a bathtub. When you stop, it settles back down to its natural state again.

When it comes to actually physically interacting with Tamriel, its Lorkhan (Shor, Talos) you want.

The Aedra are Aedra because they made the world (from themselves.)
The Et'Ada can be divided into the Magna-Ge (those that left creation when its scope became clear) the Aedra (those that stayed and continued creation, sacrifing themselves wholly or partially into the project) and the Daedra (Those that did not partake in creation, but have stuck around because they like to meddle.)
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:32 pm

When it comes to actually physically interacting with Tamriel, its Lorkhan (Shor, Talos) you want.

I think that Talos isn't related to neither Lorkhan or Shor (Which may be the same entity). He is the only devine who isn't a Et'ada
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Post » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:47 pm

I think that Talos isn't related to neither Lorkhan or Shor (Which may be the same entity). He is the only devine who isn't a Et'ada


Talos is Lorkhan.

Talos is a conglomerate god made up of at least three people. Tiber Septim, Zurin Arctus, Hjalti Early beard.
Their intertwined life story and fate so closely matched the events at creation that Talos became manifest.
This is called the Walking Way, when you walk the walk of a god so perfectly, eventually he is forced to walk like you.

Because Talos is Lorkhan, because his story is the same as the story of creation, apart from scale, his existence fortifies and strengthens the Wheel of Creation.
This is why the Thalmor want him removed from the mythic awareness.
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