This Forum is becoming is the kind of negative unproductive and unconstructive criticisim that kills game developers enthusiasim to patch the game.

Cry - Rich even said himself that when you wake up in the morning and you recieve emails saying "your game is great" or something constructively critical like "your game is great but it has this problem and this problem and this problem" it gives you the enthusiasim to really knuckle down and work on the game to improve it as much as possible.

He also said that when you go on the forums and read what people say, things like this very thread and others such as "Crytek has screwed us over" etc it kills your enthusiasim to patch the game which I can fully understand because its like going into your workplace (for any of those of you who have actually been in employment) and your boss telling you, your work is sh1t over and over again which to me and like any human being kill the enthusiasim to improive their work.

The people who made these threads are nothing but arrogant self righteous little human beings who assume they know everything that is going on behind the scenes, Ask yourself how do they know they arent patching the game? how do they know how complex the game is? Have they ever worked in a development studio? Just how complex is Crysis 2 compared to other games since it runs on a completely random dynamic engine?

Well I can tell you from what Rich told me every time they fix something, another gets broken citing the complexition of the task they have before them so I believe patience should be warranted and this kind of bashing of the developers should stop immeadiately. Do something constructive and make a video of your problem sicne I have previously mentioned they use YOUTUBE as a PRIMARY source for finding bugs. Get the community on here involved to and get them to thumb the video up, post it up!

And Really stop with the calling out of Cry - Adam because as his job involves Public Relations work he is bound by contract and law in what information he can deliver to you, however I am not and probably Rich isnt either. I would have thought people would have been more intelligent and realised the law behind PR work, your bound by your employers contract regarding information release.

Am I a Fanboy? Really?!

Now should I tattoo Crytek on my left ass cheek or my right?


Wake up and listen to reason.

I agree with you completely

i do understand that rude threads and insults won't cheer crytek into working faster.

BUT: the gaming community is rude and insulting. look around in other dev-forums. if you can't cope with little kids screaming blam!holes, even if your game works perfectly, you're in the wrong biz OR should stop creating your own feedback forums.

AND crytek brought this on themselves. a new game has flaws. but as a dev you need to fix them fast and COMMUNICATE. especially if you run your own community forums.
i there had been updates on a regular basis (let's say, at least once a week) and if those updates would have addressed the main concerns of the community, there wouldn't be that much dissappointment and anger in the community.
this lack of communication with the customer is unbelievable for a company!
and i won't be a kiss-ass, telling them "everything is okay", if their buisness plan is "ignore the customer".
which it is, right now.

I agree. Patience is what people need. For now we can enjoy the game with the few flaws it has. It's still plenty of fun as far as I'm concerned.

The contracts that form PR work are called Non Disclosure Agreements (NDA's) - and they are generally in place before the release of a product, not on the service staff who have been employed to provide information and communicate with the consumers. That is where a lot of the frustration is coming from, not having reliable information that can be verified. Second hand information is what this forum in particular has been thriving on, and clone topics and duplicate threads aren't getting shut down and locked, sensitive topics are, the topics that generally lead to a bunch of people getting on and having a protracted, negative rant, over and over again. But that only serves to increase frustration and make people think and assume the worst.

One thing I have noticed, which I aplaud Cry-Adam for, is the locking of Flame threads and antagonistic posts. So if you are honestly going to tell me the moderators are bound by a contract that makes it illegal for them to verify second hand information, or to state, in clear language, the reasons for not having information, then I cannot agree with you. How hard is it to say "We are under NDA's and cannot discuss this topic"? You and I have been running around the forums providing people asking for it, the information they want and require. It is beyond the realm of creduality that the moderators can't contact any element of the development staff and gain clarification.

I agree that there is a huge amount of unfounded criticisms and derogatory comments and statements being bandied about. But when intelligent posts and that are well written and civil are locked or ignored it only serves to increase the anger and frustration of those here and still hanging on for a fix.

P.S. you should get a tattoo of Cry on the left cheek and Tek on the right so that your anus can serve as the hyphen. (Not intending to offend, just thought I'd continue your tongue in cheek jibe - ;D)

Also KR4KKEN, you of all people on the Xbox forums should know how many Children are on the forums, as I noticed you in the thread "What is your Age" (or whatever it was titled) that was 90% people under the age of 18.

The contracts that form PR work are called Non Disclosure Agreements (NDA's) - and they are generally in place before the release of a product, not on the service staff who have been employed to provide information and communicate with the consumers. That is where a lot of the frustration is coming from, not having reliable information that can be verified. Second hand information is what this forum in particular has been thriving on, and clone topics and duplicate threads aren't getting shut down and locked, sensitive topics are, the topics that generally lead to a bunch of people getting on and having a protracted, negative rant, over and over again. But that only serves to increase frustration and make people think and assume the worst.

One thing I have noticed, which I aplaud Cry-Adam for, is the locking of Flame threads and antagonistic posts. So if you are honestly going to tell me the moderators are bound by a contract that makes it illegal for them to verify second hand information, or to state, in clear language, the reasons for not having information, then I cannot agree with you. How hard is it to say "We are under NDA's and cannot discuss this topic"? You and I have been running around the forums providing people asking for it, the information they want and require. It is beyond the realm of creduality that the moderators can't contact any element of the development staff and gain clarification.

I agree that there is a huge amount of unfounded criticisms and derogatory comments and statements being bandied about. But when intelligent posts and that are well written and civil are locked or ignored it only serves to increase the anger and frustration of those here and still hanging on for a fix.

P.S. you should get a tattoo of Cry on the left cheek and Tek on the right so that your anus can serve as the hyphen. (Not intending to offend, just thought I'd continue your tongue in cheek jibe - ;D)

Well if that is the case why did information come from me first? I do believe since they are in a job which directly releases informatiom to the public they are bound by some sort of contract with EA or Crytek or both otherwise you wouldnt have heard from me first and thats why Adam gives the typical response of "Ive sent this off" or "Ive requested information" go through his posts he frequently doesnt get back to people and I believe this is the reason.

Release of information is always controlled by the company not the PR guy.

Also KR4KKEN, you of all people on the Xbox forums should know how many Children are on the forums, as I noticed you in the thread "What is your Age" (or whatever it was titled) that was 90% people under the age of 18.

Very true and probably never have worked a day in their lives. This is my effort to educate them then I suppose

Great suggestion about the tattoo btw

One thing I have to say is, I am a BIG Richard Morgan fan (I have all his comics and books, and enjoy them immensly) but when I asked him for hints on the story of Crysis 2 he constantly replied "Sorry, I really want to, but I am under a NDA and will not talk about anything to do with the game until the game has been released". All I want to know is why can't the moderators do the same if they are under NDA's.


P.S. I'd get a simillar tattoo if I wasn't saving my left cheek for a Bender tat that I have planned and booked with an exceptional tatoo artist.

I'm not going to show loyalty to a comapny who releases an unfinished game, Who is paying their wages? WE ARE!, If they can't even do their job why are they even there?

In the end games should not be released in this state.

Well crap hits you hard when you screwed up Crytek,

same thing happen with Gears 2 and look at Cliff Blizenski in his interview "It hurts to hear people are not liking and criticizing heavily on MP" so then Epic games makes right move by adding Gears 3 dedicated servers.

It is part of every game development, you hype it up too much and it doesn't live up to expectation...what happens....is PEOPLE screwed the hell out.

I do feel sorry because I have been pouring all rage in this forum, but at same time....Single player was outstanding .... i played more than campaign haha

SP 1 day and 23 hours, MP 1 day 6 hours LOL

One thing I have to say is, I am a BIG Richard Morgan fan (I have all his comics and books, and enjoy them immensly) but when I asked him for hints on the story of Crysis 2 he constantly replied "Sorry, I really want to, but I am under a NDA and will not talk about anything to do with the game until the game has been released". All I want to know is why can't the moderators do the same if they are under NDA's.


P.S. I'd get a simillar tattoo if I wasn't saving my left cheek for a Bender tat that I have planned and booked with an exceptional tatoo artist.

because Game companies today for some reason have started to act like the bloody FBI or something, Ohhh nooo you cant have this information!

When will you be revealing this information?


sooon


How soon?


Very Very Soooon....

YOUR building a god damned video game! not a new spaceship for NASA!

People these days think it's their right to have everything. That makes sense somehow but I can't remember how it contributes to the thread.

I'm not going to show loyalty to a comapny who releases an unfinished game, Who is paying their wages? WE ARE!, If they can't even do their job why are they even there?

In the end games should not be released in this state.

unfinished is a gross overstatement and is becoming a buzz word on these forums.

Its a buggy game, theres plenty out there I.E pretty much everything post launch.

Blame the advancement of technology and added complexity of that tech.

Sorry, but I am bored with people attacking those who are experiencing problems with a game that is a result of the lack of development from the developers themselves for the game.

If the Developers dont want constant negativity about the failings of their game, they need to get off their cans and fix the fecking game!, how simple is that to deliver customer who purchased their product.

They dont talk to anyone via this official site, they are silent, sit in the background "gathering feedback from the forums" style of developer...its been weeks since release, in that time one update that did nothing of any value to sort out the problems online with this game...P2P using the worst qualities of that method with a lacking of foresight to see that mutlinational internet connections dont always balance out well enough to provide a good service for all

The SP bugs and glitches, whilst some are just comical so forgiveable, aliens chasing tails in circles, some are so blatant that there is no way they could miss the problems in the SP during their "play testing" period

I get people are fustrated with the lack of support for the Xbox platform, I am one of them, I totally get why people come to the official site for the game expecting and hoping for the answers to solve their issues so they can enjoy the game fully as intended when they bought it....but I have zero sympathy for a company that chooses to remain silent, collecting money for a clearly 85% completed game and giving no real support or communication post release

Crytek are soley to blame for all negativity aimed at their own game, this site does a piss poor job of communicating for them or for us, with generic responses from site admins who admittedly have no idea whats going on as they cant get the answers from the development depts themselves (confirmed via PM with Cry-Adam)

Fix the dam game Crytek, earn back the respect of the gamers you let down and continue to let down every day you release no information about a patch or what issues you are looking to fix in it

Oh and to the OP, the only arrogant self righteous person I see on this site is you, you dare to think you can call out anyone else for their view and take the moral highground...lmao

Irony is funny

People these days think it's their right to have everything. That makes sense somehow but I can't remember how it contributes to the thread.

not exactly, but it is the consumers right to a working product or refund by law, both of which we are been denied

Sorry, but I am bored with people attacking those who are experiencing problems with a game that is a result of the lack of development from the developers themselves for the game.

If the Developers dont want constant negativity about the failings of their game, they need to get off their cans and fix the fecking game!, how simple is that to deliver customer who purchased their product.

They dont talk to anyone via this official site, they are silent, sit in the background "gathering feedback from the forums" style of developer...its been weeks since release, in that time one update that did nothing of any value to sort out the problems online with this game...P2P using the worst qualities of that method with a lacking of foresight to see that mutlinational internet connections dont always balance out well enough to provide a good service for all

The SP bugs and glitches, whilst some are just comical so forgiveable, aliens chasing tails in circles, some are so blatant that there is no way they could miss the problems in the SP during their "play testing" period

I get people are fustrated with the lack of support for the Xbox platform, I am one of them, I totally get why people come to the official site for the game expecting and hoping for the answers to solve their issues so they can enjoy the game fully as intended when they bought it....but I have zero sympathy for a company that chooses to remain silent, collecting money for a clearly 85% completed game and giving no real support or communication post release

Crytek are soley to blame for all negativity aimed at their own game, this site does a piss poor job of communicating for them or for us, with generic responses from site admins who admittedly have no idea whats going on as they cant get the answers from the development depts themselves (confirmed via PM with Cry-Adam)

Fix the dam game Crytek, earn back the respect of the gamers you let down and continue to let down every day you release no information about a patch or what issues you are looking to fix in it


Enough said on this right here they brought it on themselves.

Great post, call outs, all caps, sueing (oh god that one was funny) is extremely childish, they probably got their moms to pay for the game aswell. Kidding aside, you're right a little patients, maturity and respect will take you a long way.

Be glad I'm not a mod, call outs, threats, CAPS I would have just insta-banned the lot of them!


SNIP

Nothing wrong with this, but there is the right way and the wrong way of getting your voice heard. Threatening to sue, or telling your youtube subscriber base to not buy the game is the wrong way. Writing out a clear and concise post about the problems you are experiencing without pointing your middle finger up at Crytek is the correct way.

I agree with the maturity and respect aspect that you guys are talking about but this game is nearly out a month now. As bad as Black Ops was on release this is worse not for everyone but there are alot of people having problems with this game, some people can only be patient for so long and it is getting rather ridiculous.

The people who are doing all the childish things you state, are just totally fed up with Crytek lol

I mean you can ask nicely what the hell is going on, get no answer via this site, emailing them directly or via Twitter. Now this site has people like the OP, with their head so far up their own ass that they honestly feel they can belittle anyone else for posting their problems, and think that they have some insider information more then anyone else...I wrote a letter to Santa, asking for a Patch, if a patch comes everyone can thank me for my hard work getting the patch released

People posting about their problems and complaints about the lack of support and information coming from Crytek is more on topic for this site then some jumped up little svck up, brown nosing his way into nothingness just because he thinks he knows more then anyone else

4 weeks later..online still a mess, no word on a patch, nothing from this site, twitter or EA support site...etc etc, its the same every day, and will be the same every other day until the patch is released or information on the patch is released and if the game gets corrected successfully..cos after this long wait, if they release a patch that doesnt fix the online...game is going bye bye!

Im not arrogant...im not impatient and as a 24 year old who HAS worked his ass off all i can say is there is no excuse for how this community is getting treated. So what they look at e-mails that are discouraging when they come into their office...if they made some effort to communicate with people and released some info on what they are fixing there would be less of a problem.

Hell they didnt have much trouble announcing things when the game was due to come out did they...with all them MP progression trailers and Be the weapon ect ect. Strange how they can also check their e-mails but have little time to respond with a simple answer. And have time to jump into a game, tell a random person (sorry KR4KKEN your not random) information that was then never released on this site officially.

Dont try and make people feel sorry for them. Theyve just released DLC details and how much your expected to pay (Sorry no freebies) and you expect me and people on here to have some understanding? **** that if my boss told me over and over my work was **** then i would wise up and realise something is wrong...i wouldnt continue to do a job i am incapable of doing.

Oh and if Crytek are looking at these forums then WHY THE **** dont they reply. Im not going for ''were to busy to interact with people who paid good money for this product. we work so hard 24/7 every waking moment is spent trying to fix this game, but we can find the time to let you know ABOUT NEW DLC FOR 800 MSP before you get any info on the game fixes or feedback from anyone''

If the game worked as advertised or Crytek were a little more forthcoming with the title update info.

Either

a) sell us something that works well

or

b) tell us what steps are being taken to correct issues

If either of these two criteria were met there wouldn't be an issue

The primary purpose for the forum is to gather community information regarding game play TWEAKS. Weapon balance, spawning things of that ilk. The forums should NEVER be used to quality test your game! Which is exactly what they've done.

Oh and to the OP, the only arrogant self righteous person I see on this site is you, you dare to think you can call out anyone else for their view and take the moral highground...lmao

Irony is funny

Explain how im being self righteous. Amuse we with your misunderstanding.
, your nothing but a sarky arsehole who does nothing for this community except go on and criticise peoples gameplay videos.

Im telling people to be patient, why would you get offended by my statement regarding arrogant people considering it was general and not referring to anyone specific unless you are of course the small group im referring to.

And I do dare, what can you do about it? .......lmao?

To Krakken: I wrote this in another thread but after seeing this one I believe it's more viable over here.

Why did your arguments go from intelligent to fanboy so fast? Did they put you on the payroll? They wouldn't have to reply to any of the threads if they simply put a thread at the top of the forum with useful information letting us know what's going on and when to expect a fix. Updating a thread every couple days to ensure their customers that they are actually doing something is not difficult and isn't too much to ask. This is just.... common sense to every other game developer. Want to get rid of all the duplicate threads biching about no patch information? Well then make a thread about it and keep it updated and informed. Easy.

The simple fact is, Cry-Adam probably is under some pseudo-NDA. I'm sure he can't go just on talking about whatever he feels like. But he can release information that is given to him from developers. Which is the entire god damn point. I don't want to hear anything from him except a summary of what the devs told him. Really, I'd rather him just copy paste it and leave his own wording out, but whatever. Communication is what we are looking for.

Simply writing an email to Cry-Adam saying "tell them this" would put a stop to the majority of it. I certainly wouldn't be posting about it anymore... I'd probably never read another thread, I'd just check the sticky once a day. We're talking about five minutes worth of communication to the hundreds of thousands of people that bought this game. It's not a lot to ask. It's EXPECTED from every other company in the world. Why do you feel Crytek is above customer relations?