So having walls to protect the cities doesn't make sense?

You obviously didn't listen to the full quote, nor did you read this thread.

Walls are fine. It was how the cities are loaded in separate cells. That's what I meant by "walls", as thats partly why they are there. And I'll say it again, I do think it's crap and I hate it, but overall it's just me being nit-picky.

And "next gen" he'll say he was disappointed by the separate cities and where they were graphically. He knows PCs can handle open cities.

Here it comes... First they tell that we have open cities that dragons can attack, then they change their mind during the improvement of the game and tell us that dragons will enter the cities through doors:)...DEJA-VU

I wonder what else they have told will change until release. I bet there won't be a radiant AI as they Todd (well...told)

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Indeed. There's a difference between telling what you ACTUALLY think, and trying to sell something.

I thought others said cities would be open and dragons would attack, but is there any links to videos/interviews?

They never said dragons attack "open cities".

They NEVER told us there would be open cities that dragons would attack. All they said was "there will be cities that you'll come across that dragons will be attacking."

Pretty disappointed. :sadvaultboy: Open cities was one of the things I was hoping to have confirmed.

They aren't all closed unlike Oblivon,

OB = 9 cities all walled.

Skyrim = 5 of 20 walled (worst case)

The news itself does not bother me. Unfortunately, I am laying bets that it will be used again as another excuse for ignoring levitation. I await confirmation in sad resignation. :confused:

There are still dragon shouts...showing a first person view of the flying dragon and the fact that a: dragons fly and b: dragon shouts were the taking on of certain dragon abilities....had me somewhat hopeful. But after the great news of gutting the attributes system my outlook is starting to get a little pessimistic.

I'll have to listen to the interview then. But I was under the impression that there are 5 major cities walled (a bit bigger than Oblivion's) and the rest were all minor open towns, which would be scarcely different to Oblivion. But are the other towns/cities closer to being cities this time around...

Yes they said the min is 10 structures in each scaling up.

I haven't watched the interview, but if your quote is correct, it seems like the cities aren't in different cells in the same sense that they were in OB.

What the are really saying is that there is a loading wall instead of an actual wall and a door. So this means that you could enter the city from any direction, but when you hit the edge of the city cell you will be transported to the city cell and there will be some sort of loading pause (it may be very short, at least on a powerful PC).

This could still mean that levitation and jump are in cause you could enter the city cell from above also. :foodndrink:

Get over yourself. It's a game, and needs to load. Deal with it and stop blaming the consoles! Without the consoles there is no game.

Loading screens never bugged me on Oblivion or Fallout. Ya, they were there...but they never took that long for me. NV was a different story...but it wasn't horrible. And Obsidian made that anyway. Not a big issue. Kinda sad they won't be open, but its really not that big a deal for me.

Maybe homes will be open now though.

Yeah let's jump straight in and bash the consoles,just because something doesn't suit. :shakehead:
Just deal with it.Buy the game or don't. I really don't see the big deal about load screens,and he said the major cities,there will be tons of settlements,villages,towns etc,that aren't in separate cells.Even so i don't see the problem.It will allow them to have more things in cities etc,from building,NPC's,clutter...allsorts.Really....there trying to give us as much as possible in this game,and we moan about having to wait a few seconds while loading HUGE cities....Some of you lot are like spoiled brats....My opinion.

It a big deal for me, this does not make me happy.
I suppose it will be ok if its just for the five largest cities but that doesnt change that these cities will essentially not be a part of the worldspace, like in Oblivion.
Wich means no access to or from except through two or three gates, it means no climbing or jumping the walls.
And endless loadscreens again.

I hope that this time the coordinates for the cities will at least match with what they would have in the actual worldmap, though I dont know if thats technically possible with the dummy of the city occupying that space.
There were some problems in Oblivion with that, mostly for mods, though this discrepancy could cause some 'humorous' glitches, such a dissapearing NPC's.

I for one don't mind the walled cities with their separate cells in Oblivion. It gives me an extra sense of security, you know you're safe from attacks by bandits/creatures as you hear those gates creak open to let you in.

Even if the game were for PCs only, it would still benefit from having walled cities. I would rather have better cities than open cities.

This.

I'd definitely say it's due to the limitations of console technology here, Oblivion had this, and Oblivion got mods that remove the transitions for cities, so it seems obvious that in this regard, it IS the consoles that are limiting what Bethesda can do, not that I'm using this as a reason to criticize consoles, it's just that it's a fact that the Xbox 360 and PS3 don't have the same level of hardware as a modern PC, in particular, they have less RAM, which I think is probably the main factor here, this doesn't mean the consoles are bad, it's just an inevitable result of them being several years old by now. But there's not much we can do about that, it seems quite clear that the consoles are the primary demographic Bethesda is targeting, so of course they have to make sure the game runs well on them, so I don't think we'll see another Elder Scrolls game without transitions for cities until the next generation of consoles is out. In fact, Todd Howard himself seemed to indicate in the video that they might be able to do that if they had more advanced hardware to work with, they could have open cities, but there's nothing we can do about that. Regardless, having all the cities seperate from the surrounding areas doesn't bother me THAT much, it's just one more loading screen, and we already get those for buildings anyway, at least with cities, I have to load them less often than with buildings since I usually need to enter more than one building each time I visit a city, the main thing about cities not being open that bothers me is that it makes levitation rather hard to do, but I didn't really think Skyrim would have that anyway.

People, do you even listen to him?

The exact quote:

"...So our bigger cities still have walls that load you... so that if... you know... we were on the next-gen system, that might be something we wouldn't have to do... memory wise, you know, to section that off... But on the end of the day, the experience is kinda the same, you would be just walking smoothly into the city as opposed to clicking the door, waiting for the load, and then going in..."

THERE WILL BE NO LOAD SCREENS!!!

So you won't feel that walls unless maybe if you would use some levitation/dragon riding mods, and if you do, you will be able to use an open cities mod as well! And yes, he confirmed the levitation is out before, so don't start whining :verymad:

Agreeed....They should have just tryed to do it in a way that it would be just like the little 'Loading area" when you are running throught the wilderness........