Walled Cities... : V - Skyrim

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:39 am

I fully admit that this may be just a nit-pick thing, but I still hate it. I mean, sure there will no doubt be a mod (thanks to those that pointed it out), but I hate having to wait for that.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:21 am

the news has to be sketchy.....you don't WALL a city built in a cliff... I call Shenanigans.

That's what I'm wondering. You can fall or climb down into a cliff. How will they deal with that? Maybe it's one of the smaller 'bigger cities' and they won't wall that in.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:18 am

Why?

It's called RAM. Consoles don't have a lot of it.

Not that big of a deal honestly, especially since it seems we'll be getting plenty of smaller towns that will be open.

Strange. On Morrowind the cities were opend yet it was on the consoles... And I was hoping one of the cities would get attacked by a dragon.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:39 am

That's what I'm wondering. You can fall or climb down into a cliff. How will they deal with that? Maybe it's one of the smaller 'bigger cities' and they won't wall that in.

Perhaps invisible barriers?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:53 am

Strange. On Morrowind the cities were opend yet it was on the consoles... And I was hoping one of the cities would get attacked by a dragon.

the draw distance in Morrowind was lik 40ft and it has about 1/3 of the polys Oblivion had

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:50 am

Perhaps invisible barriers?

Dear Talos, I hope not.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:16 am

the draw distance in Morrowind was lik 40ft and it has about 1/3 of the polys Oblivion had

But the original Xbox was a lot less powerful than the 360. So I don't get it either myself.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:42 am

the news has to be sketchy.....you don't WALL a city built in a cliff... I call Shenanigans.

It came straight out of Todd's mouth. He also said the walled cities could be removed for next-gen.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:57 am

Strange. On Morrowind the cities were opend yet it was on the consoles... And I was hoping one of the cities would get attacked by a dragon.

AI. Lots of objects with physics. Level of detail. There's a lot that has changed since MW, and many of those new features are memory-intensive.

I still wouldn't rule out a city getting attacked by a dragon, but if it's one of the major cities the event will probably be scripted.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:47 pm

It came straight out of Todd's mouth. He also said the walled cities could be removed for next-gen.

Well atleast we wont have to worry about Walled Cities in TES VI. Still how will it work for markath side? Because I heard it was build in a cliff?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:04 am

But the original Xbox was a lot less powerful than the 360. So I don't get it either myself.

I doubt it was 1/3 as powerfull

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:15 am

Basically the Vid was rationalizing them not waiting for next gen systems, saying all that it would really offer is more Graphics than anything.

I did not hear him say Skyrim doesnt have open cities, I heard next gen systems would allow for seamless transitions, graphics, speed etc etc....can anyone qoute exactly where he says seperate worldspace cities.

because again, you do not make a city in a cliff a seperate worldspace...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:08 am

Not really. I think it's just one of those picky things that a vocal minority gets worked up about. :shrug:

(Honestly, it's even less of an issue on PC, since the loading times tend to be faster - load screens really don't register much unless you've got a truly crappy system.)

Well, it's not about load times for me, I'm thinking about how it ruins any chances for Levitation or a "Jump" spell...

that's not really a big deal though...

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:34 am

Can we get a quote that confirms that cities are a completely separate cell? Maybe I just missed it, but it sounded like he meant a "loading wall" which is just an area that the player walks into which requires a brief loading (such as when you walk around the world in Oblivion and Morrowind and there's that occasional "Now Loading" pause.)

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:40 pm

AI. Lots of objects with physics. Level of detail. There's a lot that has changed since MW, and many of those new features are memory-intensive.

I still wouldn't rule out a city getting attacked by a dragon, but if it's one of the major cities the event will probably be scripted.

Ah I didn't think about the AI. That can be very CPU heavy.

I would imagine the dragon attacks much like the Mehrunes "phase" in Oblivion.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:16 am

even if they did make it for PC first the difference wont be that dramatic, becuase they want to get the game to as many people as they can, so they wouldnt want the game to strain lower level systems

Not true. PCs can scale settings. When they make a game designed for PC first in this day and age, you can bet it looks insanely good. (Witcher2/BF3)

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:09 am

the news has to be sketchy.....you don't WALL a city built in a cliff... I call Shenanigans.

The cliff probably will be the main wall and you walk into it. Dwemer ruins were largely underground.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:29 am

This is disappointing.

Not that there are walls. Walls were a standard part of building a city until early modern times. But I find it a little challenging to immersion that cities are a separate world space. Even Mournhold in Morrowind felt a little sketchy.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:45 am

Basically the Vid was rationalizing them not waiting for next gen systems, saying all that it would really offer is more Graphics than anything.

I did not hear him say Skyrim doesnt have open cities, I heard next gen systems would allow for seamless transitions, graphics, speed etc etc....can anyone qoute exactly where he says seperate worldspace cities.

because again, you do not make a city in a cliff a seperate worldspace...

It's around 3:40 in.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:45 am

It's around 3:40 in.

there is this **** of an ad that wont get out the way, I've refreshed the page several times over.......it wont go away (a brink add) so i can't see or affect the video...I can only listen lol......

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:58 pm

Not every city is walled off. Todd states that larger cities will be walled which I personally don't mind because realistically a larger city would be more difficult defend and what better way to fortify it than with gigantic slabs of stone or metal.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:53 am

Not true. PCs can scale settings. When they make a game designed for PC first in this day and age, you can bet it looks insanely good. (Witcher2/BF3)

yeh but there are some setting that you just cant scale, like walled cities

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:19 am

Perhaps invisible barriers?

The city will likely be inside the cliff, while the Dwemer ruins are sitting outside the cliff.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:44 am

Not every city is walled off. Todd states that larger cities will be walled which I personally don't mind because realistically a larger city would be more difficult defend and what better way to fortify it than with gigantic slabs of stone or metal.

I fine with the cities having walls. It's that they are loaded in separate cells is my issue.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:57 pm

and people said consoles don't hold back stuff