It would probably be better to keep guild ranks separate from their stories. Completing the quest chains without having to be the master would probably make things more interesting. I do not see why a novice can not become trusted by high ranking members without receiving promotions first.

Perhaps the different guild ranks could result in radiant quest to give your character appropriate styled quests. It would enforce the belief that my character is really holding a position instead of just some title that does not really change how the guild utilizes your skills.

I agree with this, and what someone else had posted- every character should be able to fulfill the quests, so long as they're using that skill. Remember being able to use speechcraft to get people to give you a key you needed for the Thieves' guild? That to me made the idea of it being a thief quest moot. That's the kind of stuff I don't want- an 'easy out' if people don't want or don't have that skill.

As far as world quests go, I do feel that not every person is looking for a 'hero'. Some people may need certain magic performed. Some people may need something um..aquired. And if that is the case, there shouldn't be an easy way to exploit another skill to fulfill the quest.

Did you not receive the memo where all forum members have to have polar opinions. There is no room for ambiguity here! bliviongate:

I don't need the game to limit me.

For my first playthrough (as a sneaky rogue who only dabbles in magic), I'll probably only do the initial Mages guild quests. Leaving the full arc for a later playthrough.

Same here. And I want more of an impact than the Morrowind kind, which was just a disposition boost with factions that supported your own, and a disposition hit with hostile factions. I want the world to react to who I've chosen to be. If I'm a member of the Imperial Legion, the Thieve's Guild should be weary of recruiting me. I don't think I should be blocked completely from that guild though, that would be freedom getting cut a little too much.


Becoming the Master of the guild is almost always part of the story arc though, if not always.

Making ranks separate from the story does sounds like a good idea though, and it'd give me what I want without treading on people's freedom.

Sorry I have to ask again ... but... TES has classes?

Many of us who support the removal of the "classes" in Skyrim still play classes/archetypes. We just agree with BGS that it is unnecessary to have the label in a game like TES(due to the nature of the leveling system).

EDIT: To Thungrim: There is not really classes, but archetypes like warrior, mage, battlemages etc. The classes of previous games have(at least in MW and OB) was more like a friendly guideline.

Sorry, I'm an oldskool RPG'er, it's my go to word for what I meant, which is basically skill level. My bad

I only really stick to one character so I wouldn't want TOO many restrictive quests but yes, I'd love a few high level mage specific quests. And a grand heist for thieves of particular skill. I mean we'll be getting these things through the guilds but it would be cool to specifically be sought out when you reach a mastery over certain skills.

Which make a lot more sense. I agree that some quests should have skill requirement while others shouf have lvl requirement(like the daedra quests in OB).

No thanks to class-based restrictions
I wouldn't mind seeing skill-based ranks in guilds again, although at the higher levels of guild rank I think it appropriate that politics play as big a part in deciding rank as skill does

Perhaps that is how the radiant quest will work. As you perform tasks that require higher levels in a certain skillset you will be given more challenging ones. There should still be some quests that I can receive but might not be able to complete because while attempting them I realize that I do not have the appropriate abilities. My character is not restricted from trying, but that does not mean s/he has the capacity for succeeding.

I dunno, joining multiple guilds can make sense in certain RP situations. What if the companions need to sell off some suspicious goods fast? Or if the college of winterhold needs to hire the DB to deal with problematic necromancers? I like the idea of double agents and representatives and stuff like that

me too

I at least want skill checks for guilds, or something that makes sense to gain in the ranks than a story quest. I want ranking and the story to be separate. Something I noticed in the guilds was that besides the story quest, there was practically no other quests from the main guilds. Besides that one shadow scale quest from the DB.

I'm not totally for skill requirements, as I have said a thousand times before, bribery, corruption, flattery, and simply being prepared to do the jobs no one else wants to do should stand you in good stead. My personal preference is inter faction rivalry, good and simple. Want to join the DB, already in the Companions? Kill one of your former guild mates, to prove your loyalty to the Night Mother.
Yes it might be a bit ridiculous to be Arch Mage while rubbish at magic, but no more ridiculous than the mages (who let's face it ought to be at least a bit secretive, arrogant, and jealously guarding their power) allowing a high ranking thief or companion to enter their highest ranks.

I think those options such as bribery and stuff would be excellent to gaining rank. I just don't want the storyline to be the only way to rank through the guild.

I don't know theres some dissonance going on here


you're Happy that Classes that never stopped you from doing whatever you wanted to in the past is gone, but you want class based(more or less) restrictions in a game that doesn't have classes even less in making sense that just because I have a high sneak and pickpocketing (eww) skill Im suddenly a theif? so my badassery in Destruction and Conjuration means what now

Some gentle skill threshholds are fine, but it depends on the quest chain. If you do invaluable work furthering the interests of your guild, skill shouldn't matter as much.

I'd like to see something really simple: Skill checks.

"ohhhh, so you want to rank up in our guild? come back when your destruction and conjuration skills are above 50"

What do you think?

I wholeheartedly agree.

In Morrowind you couldn't even gain a promotion within the guild until you met the Skill requiremnets of specific magic schools; Completing the quests only allowed you to progress to the point of that promotion, after which it was time to train any skills that were not up to standard. It is a flawless system.

I think that's fair, or maybe the quest progression just forces you to use certain skills/techniques, so you have to be capable (not sure if that would work across all guilds though).

I'm not sure about class/skillset specific quests outside of guilds though. I mean, if someone needs help or wants a job done, they probably won't care how you accomplish it. Hope that makes sense. :happy:

No skill checks. No. None. Be creative, not lazy. The alteration master didn't care (though sadly there was a skill requirement to learn where he was) if you had a alteration skill of 75, he wanted to see if you could stay underwater for three ingame hours. That's what it should be. The quest to get into the mages guild should be a written test in which you actually have to go buy books and study, not some teacher looking at you to see if you are skilled at blowing stuff up. The npcs shouldn't magically be able to look at our skill menu and know everything about ourselves. They should act like normal people, and go by heresay, coin, and results.

The intro to the thieves guild was perfect albeit relativly easy. It tested your ability to sneak, not look to see if you were sneaky enough before adding you. All guilds quests should strive to be like that. And if you do get up high enough in a guild and you have low skills, have someone challenge you for your spot like how we can challenge others for theirs. Make it a magic only battle. Doesn't matter if you're skill svck, if you can get stuff done the guild isn't going to care to much. A few people might, but if they can't beat you dispite their years of study, then to hell with em.