I think the poll deserved to be more specific, such as:

1. Yes, I want enemies that are theoretically impossible to beat.
2. Yes, I want enemies that are indeed impossible to beat.
3. No.

Because a lot of people in this thread seem to have misunderstood "impossible" as "almost impossible" or even just "very hard".
Of course this is something that I would want too, as I like having the odds against me and still prevailing (the tougher the fight, the better the feeling of winning).
But it is not what I really expected from the description of this thread.

Take gods for example. Remember Vivec from Morrowind? I'm assuming he is the kind of "impossible" that people understand here.
One would initially assume it's impossible to kill a god like him, yet it wasn't much of a hassle in the end, with the right approach and maybe some luck.

My point is: there should be someone or something that can always put the player character in his place, if the he provokes it so. Even if it's the god themselves.
Naturally, the player should have to realize that it's a mistake taking them on, and should have both an option to challenge them and a very easy second option to not do so.

The GI article DID NOT say that skills go past 100. It only said that level will go past 50 but will go much slower after that point.

Ah ok lol

Hmm, so it doesn't. I wonder where I got that from, then...

I just remembered how badly i wanted this, so i revived the thread to remind people about it... :tongue:


no, there shouldn't be any enemies that are actually impossible to beat in my opinion, that seems ridiculous. nobody should think that that's what i meant after reading my topic name and OP. besides, the question is whether they want a "super-high level" challenge not an "impossible" challenge.

Nice kent kill

i understood it as a boss that you need a massive amount of effort for, both grinding (lvling and collecting items) and fighting him

kinda like baal or diablo in diablo 2 hell difficulty, they are beatable, but holy crap on a peanut are they hard! youd be trying your luck for 10+ times and youd realize each time that your lvl is not high enough and your items svck

id say a boss beatable only by the most dedicated of players

I think the dragons are going to give us a run for our money. They are certainly unlike anything faced in the Elder Scrolls games. However, I would enjoy to see characters/creatures that require immense skill to defeat. Perhaps a duel with the greatest swordsman or sorcerer in all of Skyrim, waiting atop one of the mountains? But what I would MOST like to see is an army of creatures that you have to defeat. Entering a massive undead dungeon and having to fight off an army of the Undead would be gnarly. :gun:

Deep sea kraken could take care of the border problem to the north

i would LOVE this. i want multiple enemies that are really hard (boss like monsters) that guard good equipment or something. i want them to respawn too after a couple days so you can constantly fight them

You had like the luck bosmer in Morrowind, well he wasn't really unbeatable but pretty damn tough.
It would be nice to have something like that return, something that's a real challenge but not really a part of any quest.

well, more than 9 out of every 10 forum-goers agree (out of 335 voters). I think its safe to say the developers should definitely add this. The only time-consuming troubles with adding this that I see is the design of the creatures, and their locations. (and IMO making sure there isn't some cheap loop-hole to beat them).

Making a character overly powerful is something so simple that you can do it with the "construction kit" no problem (right? i don't play on pc so i don't really know).

I'm gonna use that.

Ofcourse i want a challange. A so called 'boss' monster perhaps. But not if it's ANYTHING even remotely close to final fantasy. My god i don't understand how people can continue with playing that game after seeing how ridiculously akward the characters are. When i saw it for the first time my face instantly expressed the feeling of disgust. Maybe if someone would pay me to play it i could get over it, but then even more obstacles come into play : a horrible combat system and ridiculous clichés. My god please someone destroy the people who invented that utter piece of garbage.

Phew... that needed to be done.

Basically, a 'Tom Bombadil'. I would not mind this, so long as its not just some loitering McBad-Guy/Beast that has no agenda or purpose other that to attack you when you venture too close.
It might be best if they were of relatively good-nature, and/or relatively reclusive. (Like Tom or Shelob).

I'd say more like the Umbra on crack you see with OOO. I can kill Umbra right out of the sewer on a vanilla game, even though she is level 50 and has close to 400 hp. She is actually pretty easy. OOO changed Umbra to have about 800 health, with massive amounts of damage resistance (A sneak attack with 50 agility, 35 Marksman, a silver bow and silver arrows only did like 16 damage). She was also faster and hit harder. Now that is a brutal fight.

I'm all for this idea, the concept of being able to kill anything easily because you are dragonborn svcks imo. There should still be people that are ungodly strong.

I'm not sure if it is level scaling in that way. I know what you are going to say, level scaling is level scaling But from what I read on Game Informer's http://www.gameinformer.com/p/esv.aspx they are using something called Radiant AI which, for example on quests, will change the quest locations to areas that contain enemies comparable to your character's current level. I don't know if this means you can still explore/adventure on your own and stumble upon very easy or very difficult enemies.

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As for Radiant AI you are correct. But for the actual dungeons itself this is how they work:

Dungeon A has level scaling for levels 1-7. If you go in the dungeon at level 1, the enemies will be level 1. If you go in at level 2, the enemies will be level 2, and so on and so forth. However, that level scale maxes at 7 so if you went in the dungeon at level 22 the enemies would still be level 7.

Dungeon B has level scaling for levels 20-25. If you go in at any level 1-20 the enemies are level 20. And then they are equal to your level until you get to level 25, and then they stay at level 25.

One thing to note though is the level of the dungeon freezes after the first time you enter the dungeon. Meaning if you go into dungeon A at level 1 it sets to level 1 and stays there for the entire game, even if you come back at level 50.

I'm pretty sure Umbra's making a return, if that's what you're getting at.

my weakness came frm them damn Astronaches....so i kno they will still b n the game!!!

This is not a JRPG. So. NO.

Thanks Liu Bei, totally right. Radiant Story affects how the game plays out, Radiant AI affects the daily routines and tasks of NPCs and their reactions to the player character's actions. My bad!

Worst logic ever. This game isn't made by a Japanese developer. Therefore it should have no degree of challenging enemies? Fail.

That was what I was thinking.