That's bendy enough for me!

Anyway, I want the fight to either be in a major city or on High Hrothgar.

Imagines a giant black hole over Skyrim, and yelling "That's Alduiin! WTF! This is impossible!"


Image blown :teehee:

I hope what we really see is something akin to Azathoth.

Hu dat?

Look him up on wikipedia or something.

Oh yes. So many yes(s).

Fight the God? OK bro.

I thought that World Eater was just a term, and he's really just gonna kill us...kinda like how Doom Drum isn't really a drum. Mundas isn't just Nirn either...its the entire space around Nirn. The stars are holes ripped in the veil around Mundas...so for him to eat us in one bite Alduin's mouth would have to be big enough to take the entire veil as well. The throat of the world would be smaller than his baby teeth. If that's true then we'll need some super spirit growth serum stat.

And as for death...sin't Lorkhan techniqually dead? His body is a moon and his heart is what made Red Mountain...so isnt' he basically dead? I mean, something of him remains, but I always thought of at least his body being dead once he was split in two. Or if he was brought together would be be revived? Gah! Lore is so confusing sometimes...especially now that Red Mountain blew up. The hell hapened to Lorkhan's heart now? Is he dead dead now that his heart blew up, or did his heart just get released so it can be a blot device in an upcoming game/story?

But ya, killing the god of time probably isn't the best way to save our skins. Best idea would for men and mer to convice him to back off for the time being. I don't see us being able to get rid of the biginning and ending aspects of Akatosh either. I've always thought of them as one thing, only with different names for what he's currently doing. Beginning, middle, and end. Its all under time, and its just a point of view thing for what people think of him. Of course people will love him for starting time and giving them life...but they're gonna hate him for coming back and finishing his job by killing us all. Its not like he cares, he's just doing his job by beginning and ending things. Its time, just his job...and all of that makes up Akatosh. Its the mortals fault for thinking of him as three separate things...he's all of those things. He helped begin things, helped keep things going, and now he'll help end things. Nothing personal, its just how he does his job.

Alduin World-Eater. Don't know about you, but that sounds pretty direct. If it means anything, MK says when it comes to something like that, we should take it literally.

The name "Lorkhan" is metaphorical. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1173966-who-is-lorkhan/page__st__20 brings up the point why the god of space is referred to as "Doom Drum" to the mer.

Okay, I'm guilty of using Mundus and Nirn interchangeably.

The space god is dead, but death to a god is different than a mortal or a lesser daedroth's death. To a god, death is like going to sleep, and sometimes they dream lucid dreams. Read up on Pelinal, and Wulfhart to get the idea. The space god may be dead, but he sometimes forgets, and appears as avatars, like Pelinal and Wulfhart for example. As for his heart, all we know is that the enchantments holding it have been removed, and it disappeared immediately. The heart was not destroyed, only the enchantments holding it down (jeez, do you guys even read dialog?)

Problem, the mer do want the time god to destroy Mundus. They see it as a prision, and the only way to be liberated from that prison is to have the prison be destroyed.

Well, yeah. Well, the mer see the end as a good thing. Men and, presumably, beastfolk see it as a bad thing. Also, this kalpa as apparently been going on for too long.

Really? Wow...he's gonna be huge then... Well, I really have no idea how one would go about fighting Alduin then. Would he need a vessel or avatar to be able to come to Mundas, or is he really just going to take one chomp and finish us all? Seems kinda pointless for him to come to Nirn in a small enough form for us to fight him when he could just eat us with one bite...maybe fighting him isn't such a great idea, as fun and epic as it would be.


Thanks for the reading, I'll go check it out. This lore stuff is fasinating, and I'm still green when it comes to it. Thanks for the help.


In all fairness, I haven't read the book where Red Mountain blows up. Haven't been able to get my hands on it yet...so I only know what I've heard. So if the heart is gone, we don't know where its gone to? Could it return to his body and bring him back? I'd immagine him being someone who wants Mundas to stick around. But, like I've said, this is one area where I haven't been able to read into much. Hopefully I can soon.


Hmm. Thats right, they feel like they were tricked into being weakened to their current state. Gahh...there's so much goin on in lore with so many different ways to look at it. :banghead: How do you keep it all straight?


At least I kinda get this part. Mer see the end as freedom, men see it as death or an end of all things. But what I don't get is Mundas in general. If the light that comes through the sun and the stars is the light from Oblivion, will Alduin try to eat the relms of Oblivion as well? Or is he going to just pick the chocolate chip that is Mundas that's in the middle of the crispy cookie? Would the end of time also mean the end of Oblvion as well as Mundas?

Oblivion and the Aetharius are not part of Mundus. Mundus is the universe Nirn and the aedra reside in. Also, it's not freedom the mer want, they want to be the awesome and cool gods they were during the Dawn (well, at least that's what they believe)

I thought Alduin was a false god. The only real gods in the Elder Scrolls are Aedra and Daedra, right? And the dragons are just a race of serpents from Akavir. All this talk about him being capable of eating worlds is nothing but mythology. I think he is either ancient or immortal, not a true god and only an interpretation of Akatosh. I doubt he really has domain over time and the apocalypse. These are simply metaphors. However, I do believe Alduin has the ability to ravage Nirn, which is why people fear and worship him. That's just my spin on things.

But when the Star Orphans flead Mundas, they ripped the holes in the veil around Mundas right? And it was always my understanding that the light that filtered through was from Oblivion which surrounded Mundas. I know they are not one thing, Mundas and the planes of Oblvion, but aren't they closely connected? Or am I completely off on that.

So mer wishes to become like the aedra again? Doesn't seem possible...crazy elves. But anyway, is it a fair asumption to make that the dragons we fight may be spirits as well? Like what lesser daedra are to the Daedric princes? And the reason they're fighting under Alduin and fighting us in his form because they want Mundas gone so they as well can become Aedra again?

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!!!

...........

If we killed Alduin, who is an aspect of Akatosh, god of time, wouldn't time get all screwy? I thought the ending would be something along the lines of turning Alduin back to Akatosh.

Wrong. Alduin is just another aspect of the time god. You have Aruiel, the merish view, who against Mundus, and savior and liberator of the mer. Then there's the Alduin aspect, who is a world eater, bring about the end and beginning. And lastly, there is the recently created aspect of the god of time, Akatosh. This aspect is pretty much a 180 from the others, in that he is for Mundus, and is on the side of men.

Whomever told you that is full of [censored]. Currently, there is 1 dragon. 1, and its name is Tosh Raka. Even then, the connotation of "dragon" can mean different things. Dragons are pretty much the lesser children of Akatosh. The form Peryite takes is to mock Akatosh.

In a world where mythology is real.

the aspects of the time god, Alduin and Aruiel, predate Akatosh. Akatosh was nothing but a political move, created by Alessia.

All sources say otherwise.

Elaborate

The magna-ge (star orphans) fled to the Aetherius, while the daedra hung around Oblivion. They are separate from Mundus, and the only connection is that it was Mundus that gave the daedra reason.

No, they wish to undo everything and go back to being et'Ada, instead of mortals who have a limited time to live.

Well, men view Mundus as a testing grounds, the combination of perfection and freedom, the house of Sithis made from beings of Anuel.

Doubtful. We seem to eat their ghosts.

The only difference between mortal death and lesser daedroth death is that mortals remain the same, while mortals go through a complete purge of their experiences, life and everything.

Nah, the dragons are the minions of the god of time. They kind of have to help him.

Agreed. It pissed me off that I do ALL of this [censored] to banish the Daedra back into Oblivion, then Martin says, in a last minute convenient realization "Oh crap, I think I'll turn into a dragon now".
No. I did everything, then that priest gets the credit? No thanks

I bet Tiber Septim will help us

Tiber Septim is dead. I don't think a dead body can help us. I think you mean Talos, who is known as Ysmir to the nords.

Nah, I suspect Shor (Lorkhan to mer/Shezarr to Cyrodiils) will be the guy.

Not letting you kill the bad guy is a TES tradition, in Morrowind Dagoth Ur jumped into the lava once the heart was destroyed... in Oblivion you suddenly lost all ability to move...

All of my info pertaining to lore comes from uesp wiki. --> http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragons ... which, you know... says they're an Akaviri race.

No. If I had used the word "lore", then you could have said that and been right. I used the word "mythology" to avoid confusion. Not everything you read in books from the games is true. There is plenty of conflicting evidence to certain events and stories that are obviously made up.

Metaphors as in "Alduin is the World-Eater" really means he destroys so much he eventually "eats" all of Nirn. Use your imagination.

Maybe, but with the septim empire gone Mede might have restricted the worship of Talos. This could mean the godhood of Shor/Talos is no longer being mantled. (Just like Akatosh)

Just tossing ideas out there

Maybe one could mantle Alduiin and Shor, making a super identity.

Hoping the OP is correct. A little affirmation (taken with a grain of salt) from the recent PCGamer article stated, " Alduin, the biggest and baddest of the long-lost species, is coming. The Elder Scrolls foretold it, and only a Dragonborn can stop it." We may learn a dragon shout that will put us on equal footing, so to speak, with Alduin. That is, increase our size, our power, etc. I also like the idea that during our gameplay we make allies with the powers of Tamriel and one or more of them may also lend to us of their power giving us a fair chance to defeat Alduin.

Waiting for 11/11/11 to find out....tic toc...hmmm can't seem to make time go faster, where is that Alduin when you need him.

By the way, "only a dragonborn can stop it" could very well be taken as preventing Alduin's return.

I'm not sure. A non-combat resolution is pretty appealing. Killing Almalexia was fine, but killing a real god risks diminishing the god rather than making me feel heroic. That said, it really depends on how it's done.

I can almost guarentee that Alduin will be fought, like any other dragon (though 100x epicness).

Reasons:
1. Bethesda put all that effort into scripting Dragons so such complex creatures could be fought in real time, no quick time events, no fight-specific scripts. It's unlikely for Bethesda to revert back to an earlier, inferior system when they had invested so much into improving it!

2. Martin Septim sword-blocking the player at the end of Oblivion by killing Mehrunes as a giant freaking dragon pissed a lot of people off. Enough people that Bethesda is unlikely to repeat it.


As for the fight itself, its similarly unlikely that the Dovahkein kills Alduin for good - he is the freaking dragon of time heh.

Imo, it'll be akin to defeating Jygallag - just banished from that plane for a time.