I want a new PS3 and my money back

Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:26 am

Why should any game company be expected to be perfect beings capable of extensively testing every single copy of their game on every single, individual platform without being able to make mistakes? Who is everyone? I am having no problems.


Congratulations to you! I am having problems and so are thousands of other people. But I guess fair is fair. I bought the same game. On the same system. Wish my experience was the same as yours. But its not. And unfortunatelly thousands of other people are having the same BUG problems as me. And I did buy this program from Bethesda and Obsidian! Their name is on the disc the box and the freaking commercial they've put all over prime time TV (they obviously have the money). Maybe if that money had been spent on hiring better programmers and testers this crap wouldn't be happening. But it is. And it is not right! 65 dollars might be chump change to some. But it is most definatelly not to me! If I had known this was a half ass project I would have not bought the game! RECALL THIS GAME BETHESDA! I'LL GLADLY SEND MINE IN!
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:29 pm

Congratulations to you! I am having problems and so are thousands of other people. But I guess fair is fair. I bought the same game. On the same system. Wish my experience was the same as yours. But its not. And unfortunatelly thousands of other people are having the same BUG problems as me. And I did buy this program from Bethesda and Obsidian! Their name is on the disc the box and the freaking commercial they've put all over prime time TV (they obviously have the money). Maybe if that money had been spent on hiring better programmers and testers this crap wouldn't be happening. But it is. And it is not right! 65 dollars might be chump change to some. But it is most definatelly not to me! If I had known this was a half ass project I would have not bought the game! RECALL THIS GAME BETHESDA! I'LL GLADLY SEND MINE IN!

What kind of PS3 do you have, just out of curiousity?
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:57 am

I can't believe some of you actually having the audacity to say we are "making up" bugs.. who the hell would do that? Maybe a mental patient or something but everyone else in the world has much better things to do.

I also can't believe that you guys are defending Obsidian/Bethesda in this situation. How are you okay with being sold a broken product? I don't understand it, I really don't. What if you never had internet/LIVE/PSN and couldn't get patches like a good chunk of the Fallout community? You would be stuck with a broken game forever.

People are not making these things up, they are well documented are EVERYWHERE. All over the net. Threads on Gamespot, IGN, Neoseeker, Official forums.. these same bugs are being reported EVERYWHERE.. it's blind ignorance to think people are making these things up to "troll"


It is our duty as fans of the Fallout series and as fans of Bethesda/Obsidian and the games they make to report these bugs and complain about them. If we didn't, they would think stuff like this is okay(They already do.. but more so) and they wouldn't ever fix anything.

Don't beat up the people who are trying to get the game you payed money for fixed faster.




It is impossible to talk to you. You believe one thing and that is all you're going to believe.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:21 pm

I can't believe some of you actually having the audacity to say we are "making up" bugs.. who the hell would do that? Maybe a mental patient or something but everyone else in the world has much better things to do.

I also can't believe that you guys are defending Obsidian/Bethesda in this situation. How are you okay with being sold a broken product? I don't understand it, I really don't. What if you never had internet/LIVE/PSN and couldn't get patches like a good chunk of the Fallout community? You would be stuck with a broken game forever.

People are not making these things up, they are well documented are EVERYWHERE. All over the net. Threads on Gamespot, IGN, Neoseeker, Official forums.. these same bugs are being reported EVERYWHERE.. it's blind ignorance to think people are making these things up to "troll"


It is our duty as fans of the Fallout series and as fans of Bethesda/Obsidian and the games they make to report these bugs and complain about them. If we didn't, they would think stuff like this is okay(They already do.. but more so) and they wouldn't ever fix anything.

Don't beat up the people who are trying to get the game you payed money for fixed faster.



Actually games I think tended over all to be better, from a bug point of view, before their was an internet. Now companies have the luxury of easily deploying a patch. So there isn't a lot of incentive there to get it perfect.

For the record as well GM knowingly shipped cars for nearly 20 years that were riddled with defects. They figured the dealers would the mistakes and correct them either before they were sold or when the twist tie broke loose and the customer brought it back in. I would link you to the interview where some former heads are talking (and occasionally laughing) about it, but it is late and I don't feel like digging it up. Point being, it isn't illegal to distribute a bad product, it is just a bad business practice. ...that is so long as we are limiting the definition of the word "bad." Obviously I can't sell chocolate shakes that will knowing kill you. Though oddly I suppose with the correct license I could sell cluster bombs...
Well you get the point.

Also those sites you mentioned...are pretty much hit by the same people, so it makes sense to see the same issues turning up.

A lot of reported problems I don't think are actually problems either. People tend to get bent out of shape over some screen stutter or bit of tearing. Even a freeze every now and then isn't a big deal really.
Regardless I'm not sure what good it actually does to complain on a forum at 2am company time.

Not defending a buggy product in this. But calm down.
You realize somebody right now is watching their dad have a heart attack, digging through a dump for food, or just watched their house burn to the ground.
Your anger and passion for justice would probably be better served aimed at a cause or issue outside of New Vegas.
Seriously...so many causes need passionate people.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:27 pm

So telling the devs to go [censored] themselves and saying you're going to return the game and sue them because the game is a piece of [censored] is really helping them fix the bugs faster?

This.

Sure you could help them fix bugs by explaining in detail but what does not help fix bugs is through the legal system.
Nor is suing companies that are irrelevant to the situation such as PS3s breaking down from the game. It's like trying to sue a frying pan company because you left something to cook over the stove and because you didn't check that it isn't on fire or anything you end up losing your house.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:04 pm

First I want to say no you did not stay true to the original two Fallout games. They actually worked. They were witty. They were enjoyable.

Bethesda and Obsidian, I will never buy another game from you again. Even Sea Dogs from 10 years ago had the exact same glitches as this. I have turned my PS3 off improperly numerous times now due to your crappy software. The first time I installed it ran fine. Now I'm having to reinstall your software and 99% of the time it won't even finish the install (freezing randomly during install). UNETHICAL!!!!! UNETHICAL BUSINESS!!!!

65 dollar headache.

You have released a completely unfinished product which causes damage to console systems!!!!

This is like selling a car without an engine!!!!!!

How is this not illegal?????


wait why do you want a new ps3?
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:43 pm

1. I never claimed you were making up bugs. You posted something along the lines of everyone experiences these issues, and I'm sure that everyone includes me and others who are having few/no problems.

2. My game was never broken. It's worked fine since release and it's working fine now, after the patch.

1. I never claimed it was you that accused me. Why does everyone think I am talking directly to them lol? I was talking about Reaper

2. Congratulations dude, you are really lucky. If you play on PC that is a big factor. If you are on PS3 or 360 you are REALLY lucky.

To all the other posts that are all the way up the page, I don't expect them to be perfect beings dude. I don't. I have been gaming for decades and I know how the video game world works.

But games should NEVER be released in the state that New Vegas is in. Sure, some people seem to have no issues but MOST PEOPLE are experiencing game breaking, save corrupting bugs, DLC corruption bugs, quest breaking bugs. Far too many bugs for a release. I feel like I am playing a Beta.

And to the guy who said I was in another thread saying my 360 and PS3 was broken.. you have me confused with someone else, I said nothing like that..

To those saying I could be more useful if I was reporting bugs, GUESS WHAT GUYS. Go check out the 360 software and hardware section I am one of the top contributors of bugs.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Just tried a different game (call of duty modern warfare 2)... Apparently all the starting and stopping did fawk with my PS3 as now the CD drive seems to not be reading the disc. WTF!!!!!
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Gavin Roberts
 
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:36 pm

I'm having no troubles with my copy at the moment. Running flawlessly.
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Peter lopez
 
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:08 pm

game worked fine on my ps3 after the update. can play for hours..
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:57 am

Actually games I think tended over all to be better, from a bug point of view, before their was an internet. Now companies have the luxury of easily deploying a patch. So there isn't a lot of incentive there to get it perfect.

For the record as well GM knowingly shipped cars for nearly 20 years that were riddled with defects. They figured the dealers would the mistakes and correct them either before they were sold or when the twist tie broke loose and the customer brought it back in. I would link you to the interview where some former heads are talking (and occasionally laughing) about it, but it is late and I don't feel like digging it up. Point being, it isn't illegal to distribute a bad product, it is just a bad business practice. ...that is so long as we are limiting the definition of the word "bad." Obviously I can't sell chocolate shakes that will knowing kill you. Though oddly I suppose with the correct license I could sell cluster bombs...
Well you get the point.

Also those sites you mentioned...are pretty much hit by the same people, so it makes sense to see the same issues turning up.

A lot of reported problems I don't think are actually problems either. People tend to get bent out of shape over some screen stutter or bit of tearing. Even a freeze every now and then isn't a big deal really.
Regardless I'm not sure what good it actually does to complain on a forum at 2am company time.

Not defending a buggy product in this. But calm down.
You realize somebody right now is watching their dad have a heart attack, digging through a dump for food, or just watched their house burn to the ground.
Your anger and passion for justice would probably be better served aimed at a cause or issue outside of New Vegas.
Seriously...so many causes need passionate people.


This is a forum for New Vegas. This isn't the Red Cross. This isn't Unicef. I don't care what time it is. I just wasted money on a beer coaster. WOOHOO!
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:09 pm

Just tried a different game (call of duty modern warfare 2)... Apparently all the starting and stopping did fawk with my PS3 as now the CD drive seems to not be reading the disc. WTF!!!!!

This has nothing to do with Fallout: New Vegas though, as the game pretty much install the whole thing to the hard drive and barely use the disc at all.

Broken optical disc drive svcks, though. I had a PS2 break down for me for the same reason. This is one major reason I wish all PS3 games could be fully installed on the PS3. The less the optical drive has to work, the better.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:54 pm

Sigh, there is so much ignorance and blatantly silly statement making going on in this thread I'm giving up on it.. saying I should go put my passion towards something else in the world? Rofl.. yeah guys because you totally know who I am and what I do in my life right? Sigh.

I've said what I needed too, have a nice day guys. Really hope these bugs are fixed soon (and the broken patch recalled) so we can all continue to enjoy this great game. Also really hope the gaming industry doesn't make a habit of releasing games like New Vegas knowing they can do a horrible job on testing and just fix it with patches weeks after release.. it's a sad trend in something that we all really enjoy.

EDIT: Wow look it's Freddo! I remember you from when I was surfing the elder scrolls forums like 6+ years ago.. trippy
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:01 am

HEY BETHESDA! THANKS FOR RUINING MY BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE PS3 WITH YOUR PIECE OF [censored] GAME! NOW ITS GONNA PROBABLY BE 2 WEEKS OF WAITING FOR SONY TO SEND ME A NEW PS3 (THAT I'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR) BECAUSE I"VE BEEN STARTING AND STOPPING MY [censored] SYSTEM! (ERROR CODE I RECEIVE IS 80010514) FROM WHAT I"VE READ IT MEANS THE HARDWARE IN MY PS3 IS [censored] UP! OH, MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN STARTING A STOPPING STUPID [censored] NEW VEGAS OVER AND OVER AND OVER..... but just maybe. I could be wrong. GIVE ME A NEW [censored] SYSTEM YOU [censored]S!
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:39 pm

well idk what kinda of problem he had with his game almost sounded like wouldn't install when he first put it in his ps3? are you using another OS than sony's? or sony's OS. at least alone what PS3 syatem do you have becouse there been servral newer PS3 consoles came out since first launch and least alone do you have the newest firmware update? becouse i know some people don't have there PS3 even hooked up all the time or part of the time to the internet. but me i had no problems istaling it or playing the game at first but later had visual bug with using any type of rifle shotgun were it looked like you were using it was a 2-handed weapon in a fantsy game like it was swinging downwards. besides some pip-boy visual problems and issues with fallowers not following and game frezing but notthe system then later. the game freeze up with the PS3 system freezing up. and like somebody else said don't rember who it was but never turn off your PS3 from the back or unplig it from the back just use the soft reset in the front were you put your blue-ray game dvd's,dvd's and cd's in. but then most PS3 owners should know al this. by the way i still like this game alot despite it has a bit more bugs glitches in it than FO3. and im not going on the bandwagen saying they should have every bug gltich fixed but most. or saying this is the best game of all time. personly everbody got a difrent P.O.V =point of veiw how to see things. as far as letter going to bethesda i don't think that would help after all most not all game companies do read there forums to get input from us hard core players of any games today. and yea they might not actuly take any input from us players who play hours and hours of there game. they decied what to do. it there product were just the cusumers.3and yea i know alot of you people want a 100% non buged glitched game. personly in the last 6 to 10 years i noticed that games are getting alot more bugs glitches than usual or there not spending the money to fix them. probly do to unkown issues like time constraints budget and ect. but thats my two cets take it or leave it I don't care.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:15 pm

I can't believe some of you actually having the audacity to say we are "making up" bugs.. who the hell would do that? Maybe a mental patient or something but everyone else in the world has much better things to do.

I also can't believe that you guys are defending Obsidian/Bethesda in this situation. How are you okay with being sold a broken product? I don't understand it, I really don't. What if you never had internet/LIVE/PSN and couldn't get patches like a good chunk of the Fallout community? You would be stuck with a broken game forever.

People are not making these things up, they are well documented are EVERYWHERE. All over the net. Threads on Gamespot, IGN, Neoseeker, Official forums.. these same bugs are being reported EVERYWHERE.. it's blind ignorance to think people are making these things up to "troll"


It is our duty as fans of the Fallout series and as fans of Bethesda/Obsidian and the games they make to report these bugs and complain about them. If we didn't, they would think stuff like this is okay(They already do.. but more so) and they wouldn't ever fix anything.

Don't beat up the people who are trying to get the game you payed money for fixed faster.


This is one thing people dont seem to get, People experiencing all these "game breaking bugs" are in the minority. I myself (xbox) have only had one bug where i saw an NPC half way in the ground at one point, but it fixed it self rather quickly. Most people are "okay with being sold a broken product" because in reality their product isnt broken, so there is no need to throw a tantrum like you are. I feel for you though, becuase if my game was messed up i would be upset. Albiet nowhere near to the same extent. Its just a game (yes i have a job, and i go to school. so i did pay for it) it will be fixed soon. I dont see any rational reason to be this mad. Everything else iv ever been sold thats broken, i just take it back. I dont however rant on about how the company that made it is aweful and should be sued. This is because i realize that nothing will ever be perfect, and there will always be anomalies in statistics (I.E. your game) the more copys that are made, the more "broken" copys are made (although this really has to do with a huge number of factors especially in the pc world). Yes people who say there arent bugs are ignorant. But people arent trying to beat you up, just trying to talk sense into you.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:00 pm

If people sell you broken merchandise you can sue them or have them punished by law.
If your life was endangered... perhaps, but this is recreational software; the most they could ever owe you is a refund. I'd guess that the EULA indemnifies them from anything else, and all who install have already agreed to it. :shrug:
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:02 am

My PS3 is officially broken because of this game.

I'm done for the evening. What a joke. Really hope someone at Bethesda reads this. What a waste of time and money. The reason I went to console over computer was to avoid this [censored] problem.
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Post » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:30 pm

HEY BETHESDA! THANKS FOR RUINING MY BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE PS3 WITH YOUR PIECE OF [censored] GAME! NOW ITS GONNA PROBABLY BE 2 WEEKS OF WAITING FOR SONY TO SEND ME A NEW PS3 (THAT I'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR) BECAUSE I"VE BEEN STARTING AND STOPPING MY [censored] SYSTEM! (ERROR CODE I RECEIVE IS 80010514) FROM WHAT I"VE READ IT MEANS THE HARDWARE IN MY PS3 IS [censored] UP! OH, MAYBE ITS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN STARTING A STOPPING STUPID [censored] NEW VEGAS OVER AND OVER AND OVER..... but just maybe. I could be wrong. GIVE ME A NEW [censored] SYSTEM YOU [censored]S!

Very constructive :rolleyes: This is closed.

My PS3 is officially broken because of this game.

No it isn't. Software can't ruin hardware.
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