First I want to say no you did not stay true to the original two Fallout games. They actually worked. They were witty. They were enjoyable.

Bethesda and Obsidian, I will never buy another game from you again. Even Sea Dogs from 10 years ago had the exact same glitches as this. I have turned my PS3 off improperly numerous times now due to your crappy software. The first time I installed it ran fine. Now I'm having to reinstall your software and 99% of the time it won't even finish the install (freezing randomly during install). UNETHICAL!!!!! UNETHICAL BUSINESS!!!!

65 dollar headache.

You have released a completely unfinished product which causes damage to console systems!!!!

This is like selling a car without an engine!!!!!!

How is this not illegal?????

i have a PS3, beat the game once to get the hardcoe trophy - plan to play several more times. Game worked fine.

It has to be illegal.. I don't understand how it couldn't be.

If people sell you broken merchandise you can sue them or have them punished by law.

This is no different. We have all payed a good amount of money (a huge amount of money for some players) for this game and it does not work. It is more broken than ever after the new patch.

Someone needs to stand up and do something. The game is literally UNPLAYABLE after the new patch. It can not be played for more than 15 minutes without a freeze.

They are robbing us.

And Kizu you are a very lucky man my friend, if you check out almost all major/minor review websites you will see that they talk about the game breaking, save corrupting bugs that abound New Vegas. I just lost 5 separate saves that were all 1 hour apart because of the save corruption bug. That's okay though because that file was already broken because of multiple quests becoming permanently uncompletable due to bugs. I had already lost ED-E because he disappeared and Boone is permanently broken because I walked into a casino so now he does not have a gun and I can not trade it back to him. Sigh

The new patch is a real kick in the teeth though. It's amazing they released something that literally freezes the game within 15 minutes of starting up. That means they did not test it AT ALL.

i personally have not had these problems, however i do agree with the OP in the fact their should be some sort of law about this. Also like the lemon law for cars, but in reality we probably wont see this kind of action for awhile since the government is like 20 years behind in regards to anything involving technology.

Software is sold "as-is". :shrug:

well, keep in mind it took almost two years to get Fo3 running fairly smoothly. However, i agree don't put the game out until it works properly ... maybe the next ES game will learn from this

Maybe everyone should begin sending emails to the Better Business Bureau of Maryland. I believe Bethesda's main US offices are located there. At least thats where their telephone support is located. This is an outrage! Time to cause some Fallout.

I believe that is considered bio-terrorism

I'm not understanding why you want a new PS3 out of this?
You think the PS3 is broken because it is having install issues now?
What about a different game? If that installs fine then your PS3 is probably fine.
(Ok, yes there are a couple of weird early games that will install and play fine on a technically broken PS3)

But F1 and F2 were hardly ever trouble free.

Tried installing again.... Froze at 23%

I want a new PS3 because this constant starting and stopping is damaging the hardware! It says in the PS3 manual not to improperly shut the system down i.e. hold the f'ing button! This company is a joke. If it took 3 years for Fallout 3 to run smoothly then it should have taken another 3 years of product development on New Vegas. They aren't paying me to beta test this piece of crap! This is BS.

GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!

This is the exact reason I always buy Bethesda games for the PC (yes I know Obsidian developed this, but it's Bethesda tech).

Oblivion and FO3 had the exact same issues and gamebreaking bugs, but fortunately you can fix most of them on the fly in-game with the console on the PC.

I really really love Bethesda's tech, but it's pretty clear making it less buggy is not their strong suit lol. It has the same bugs, save issues and crashes even after four years.

If you are not aware, when a game freezes on a 360 or PS3 or even a PC it can either do nothing(most of the time) or (rarely but it still happens to heaps of people) it can cause damage, minor or serious, permanent damage to the system. By releasing a game that constantly freezes Bethesda/Obsidian are putting our systems at risk. It's very unhealthy to turn turn off systems using the buttons on the console when they are frozen because they do not shut down the same as if the console wasn't frozen. It's like holding a computer button down instead of going to shutdown, it will do nothing at first but after a year of doing it your computer can show serious problems because of it.

It's criminal releasing the game in the state it's in.

Something should really be done. Letters should be wrote. E-mails should be typed. Topics should be posted.. we should show that the gamer population is not going to put up with this sort of crap.

I don't want other developers to follow in Obsidian/Bethesda's footsteps and start releasing broken games that take 2+ weeks to get half stable.

Both companies need to have a serious reality check and realize if they are using a buggy, outdated engine and making a game that could possibly have lots more bugs than say, an FPS or something like that, they should hire 3 or 5 times the amount testers that an FPS developer would

Instead they go the budget route and use the minimum amount of testers, releasing broken games.

This should not be allowed.

And you aren't beta testing it...hence why you aren't being paid to test it.
Take it back to the store you got it from.
I mean if I am to stick with your car anology presented above...though it really isn't like buying a car with no engine...
If you bought a Honda Doesn't Stop XT 1000 from Shady Dealers Lot-O-Delite and it didn't work, you wouldn't goto Honda about it.
The PS3 (as well as pretty much every manual) tells you not to do things that don't kill the system or product by doing them.
It is covering their butts. If holding the button down hurts it, why can you hold it down to shut it off? My nephews skateboard came with
a warning to not do tricks on it. It is perfectly capable of doing them. Mattresses warn you not to remove their tag. And cars...oh good lord
they come with more warnings then you can shake a stick at.
I highly doubt it is killing your ps3 by shutting it down that way. Try installing another game and see what happens.
Take the game back to where you bought it and try to return it. The problem is probably more of the [censored] return policies
places have on software. It's 2am on the east coast, I don't think any at Bethesda is going to read this and comply with your efforts
in this forum tonight though...and I doubt the post will be very visible by the morning.

:rofl: Really? Game saving bug, game breaking etc. If you are going to lie lets at least be a little realistic here.

OMG GUYZ. I BOUGHT A BUGGY GAME!!! IT svckZ SO MUCH!!! IT SHUD BE ILLEGAL TO SELL BUGGY GAMEZ!!!

I like it whenever people post something along the lines of this without doing any research on the subject.

Oh. And go ahead and try to sue Bethesda/Obsidian. You'll lose the case as soon as you walk in the courtroom. Perhaps even before that. :rolleyes:

Inb4 flame war directed at me.

Also, @OP, Fallout 2 didn't really work whenever it released. It had way more bugs than New Vegas has now. Nice job trying to put yourself off as being a "true Fallout fan."

Oh yeah dude, me and the thousands of other players with these issues are totally lying. I guess your the type of person who thinks the government puts poison in the water system and media controls your mind right?

The Game corruption bug and all the other game breaking bugs are extremely well documented, go look at the software and hardware section for all 3 systems if you do not believe me. They have even been confirmed by Bethesda/Obsidian in the sticky on the forum's front page.

Yeah I haven't read all the other forums saying the same thing. Bethesda/Obsidian haven't released statements saying they released a patch fixing over 200 bugs. Nope I didn't read any of that. Totally made this up too.

Wait, what? Are you trying to say that it's OK to deliver game like this, because these same people delivered "the best games ever" with bugs too?

Nope, wrong.

It means don't flip the switch at the back of the console off when the console is on nor pulling the plug out of the power socket.
Turning it off by holding your finger down on the power button on the front of the console is not an improper way to shut down the console.

Also I only heard that the game save corruption bug affects 360 owners not PS3 owners.

These people better never ever ever ever touch CoD

Why should any game company be expected to be made up of perfect beings capable of extensively testing every single copy of their game on every single, individual platform without being able to make mistakes? Who is everyone? I am having no problems.

You were just crying 5 minutes ago in another thread saying how broke your 360 and PS3 were. The game save bug has nothing even remotely to do with the game or 360 and PS3 for that matter. You should know by now the problems the Xbox 360 has with all video games and consoles in general. This cannot be your first time at the dance, ALL games have bugs in some way, shape, or form. You make it sound like the demons from hell just came and put bugs in your system for no reason.

Um, no I'm not saying that at all.
The post said F1 and F2 worked.
And fact is they barely did.
That is what I am saying.

I can't believe some of you actually having the audacity to say we are "making up" bugs.. who the hell would do that? Maybe a mental patient or something but everyone else in the world has much better things to do.

I also can't believe that you guys are defending Obsidian/Bethesda in this situation. How are you okay with being sold a broken product? I don't understand it, I really don't. What if you never had internet/LIVE/PSN and couldn't get patches like a good chunk of the Fallout community? You would be stuck with a broken game forever.

People are not making these things up, they are well documented are EVERYWHERE. All over the net. Threads on Gamespot, IGN, Neoseeker, Official forums.. these same bugs are being reported EVERYWHERE.. it's blind ignorance to think people are making these things up to "troll"


It is our duty as fans of the Fallout series and as fans of Bethesda/Obsidian and the games they make to report these bugs and complain about them. If we didn't, they would think stuff like this is okay(They already do.. but more so) and they wouldn't ever fix anything.

Don't beat up the people who are trying to get the game you payed money for fixed faster.

1. I never claimed you were making up bugs. You posted something along the lines of everyone experiences these issues, and I'm sure that everyone includes me and others who are having few/no problems.

2. My game was never broken. It's worked fine since release and it's working fine now, after the patch.