The main reason there are less though is because they worked on the graphics so much where with skyrim the graphics arn't as much different as Oblivion and Morrowind, also the lower the graphics on something the easier it is to make

Oh, I wasn't knocking Oblivion. I was just saying that more armor types would be nifty. Having more types of armor would also keep the equipment progression interesting.

And you are right, they may have more types of armor now because it would be easier to add them.

Personally I would prefer oblivions slot set up for the base armor, but with a similar amount or more of the additional biped slots fallout had. The customization the biped slot allowed was nice. Armor technically was set up as a one piece suit, but you could have made separate gloves for left and right, up to 3 additional addon parts, and back pack. then you could equip a pipe in your mouth, wear glasses, a hat, and have some earrings on.

I don't dislike separate pauldrons, though I expect to see them being used like something a kin to "ArmorAddon1" ala fallout.

"equip a pipe in your mouth"
what?

Armour is there provide defence, how much more 'meaningful' can it be, would you like it to give you your horoscope?

Maybe you should try reading the thread...

Not only did it add to customization but it added to immersion. Being able to wear clothing under our armor and having belts etc. was amazing.

There are multiple ways to provide defense. Did you look at the OP?

Nope, it's not. Even if we don't count gameplay-elements like the cost of a full suit of armor or higher entchant-ratings, Morrowinds System was more "realistic" in some way. If only half of your armor-slots were in use, there was a high chance that an enemy hit would use the unarmored and not the L/M/H Armor rating, thus pretending to hit an uncovered bodypart. Can't remember seeing this in Oblivion, were it really was just the armor rating, but i could be wrong.

Still, i agree with your OP, it would be a better system if every armor had certain strengths and weaknesses against certain attacks, born under an uncertain star with uncertain parents in an uncertain world with uncertain outcome

i have read it, and so far ive seen people arguing over which game had the best armour system?

to make armour more meaningful, i think they should have a kind of fable 3 system where it changes depending on what you have done, and what choices have been made (i.e a redish glow if you have murdered many innocent people)

Also, the ability to upgrade your armour by going to the blacksmiths/enchanter and having them improve it, that way your armour becomes more personal and less of a generic armour category

That isn't meaningful, it's a cartoony gimmick that would be totally out of place in the TES universe.

EDIT: As for your edit, I agree!

After shooting up a place/getting laid I would light up a cig. I did this just by equiping an animated cig.

When will game developers learn? We need smokable pipes and tobbacco pouches after a long day of adventuring.

MY point for the thread was that they both have the same system, Morrowind just had more items that did the same thing. And I'd like to see armor actually improved instead of just added to.

For example if they went with the fallout system, Light armor would have the highest armor class, because you could move better and avoid hits. Heavy armor would have the highest damage threshold, because when you've got a layer of solid steel (or soemthing even harder) between yourself and the enemy it would take a lot of force to even injure you at all (a rat shouldn't hurt a guy in full plate no matter how many times it bites him). And enchantments could have the most damage resistance due to some sort of magic reducing the amount of certain kinds of damage.

Didn't understand much of what you said.

But since this :

Made every bit of sense, you must be onto something.

It depends on the way the armor is protecting you.

Mundane normal and even magical normal armor should likely only protect a section of the body.

On the other hand mages clothing should provide total body protection. boots gloves robes hat/hood bangles and baubles galore all providing a bit of protection to the entire body. Protection that shouldnt work the way mundane armor protection does. There should be a reason some wear leather and others wear metal and still others wear robes and a pointy hat/cool hood gloves etc.

I agree with the OP, about 98%. Morrowind's system WAS better, but it was mostly cosmetic. You could see the differences between armor tho (I don't recall any in particular) but for instance, some armors had more "health" then others, regardless of armor rating. I'm told Oblivion did as well, but every armor was simply rated out of 100.

What I liked in Morrowind was that if I wanted to wear iron pauldrons on a leather cuirass, I could. What I didn't like was that my armor rating was lower than if I had gone with all fur (if my skill in light armor was the highest)

Realistically, wearing stronger pauldrons is a good choice, because more blows are coming down on your shoulders then say, the side of your ribs.

The game should recognize where you are hit and each piece of armor should protect their own related place. so a Helmet should not protect the hands, unless their added enchantment does so.

And damage threshold, and damage type differences are also nice touches.

I'm really liking what's been said so far. I think that any little way a developer can add realism or customization options is really cool. Like being able to wear two different gloves if you want to. I'm not going to sit here and be the type that disses on Oblivion and says "make Skyrim more like Morrowind" because I know devs like to experiment and do different things, but I'm really hoping they'll give us more armor options.

Yes! Locational damage is the answer and the feature we have been earning for.

It was already the case in Oblivion and morrowind. I don't get your point here.


Fair enough, these features are cool. But frankly, I don't see why having separate pieces of armor would "forbid" to have these features you want. It's like you're making a choice between the two where there is no choice to make.
_Star wars is cool.
_Yeah but I'd rather have milk on my coffee.

So really, I don't get why you even mention the separates pieces of armor thing in your topic, it has nothing to do here.

On the other hand,

This is awesome. damage should be localized.

I can agree with that. Damage and thus damage protection should be localized. It wouldn't have to be exact, but it would be nice to get the basic idea.

Just to really beat that dead horse, Oblivion's armor system was SIMPLIFIED from Morrowind, not dumbed down. Simplified means less options, but same mechanics. Dumbed down means easier mechanics. That being said I want pauldrons and separate gloves.

It all should have to do with locational damage. I'm going to give 2 numbers:

16.00 and 22.50

Basic math tells us that 22.50 > 16.00. But now lets learn what the actual numbers mean. 16.00 is the Armor Rating on a full set of Fur Armor and 22.50 is the Armor Rating on just a Daedric Shield, pulled right from the Construction Set. If I get stabbed in the chest without blocking and am fully naked except my Daedric Shield how does it protect me more than if I am wearing a Fur Cuirass?

The OP has it right. Depending on the type of armor (Chainmail, Dwarven, etc.) and the piece (Greaves, Helm), it should determine how much damage you take and from what. Chainmail won't protect from a piercing attack such as an arrow like plate mail would. Fur burns, but you can scorch steel and it won't take as much damage. The way I see it is Armor should have a variety of stats that may make you think twice about what what to wear.

No it wasn't. Maybe you misinterpreted my point but I don't like that a deadric helmet and boots or a single enchanted ring both protect you exactly the same as a full set of lesser armor.



It doesn't forbid it. I thought I've made it plenty clear that I don't care whether there are more armor pieces or not, just that it doesn't matter either way and I want to see armor really matter.

I mention the separate pieces because people seem to think the armor system in morrowind was great, while the armor system in oblivion was dumbed down. When actually they were both dumb. Morrowind's armor system wasn't any deeper it just gave more cosmetic differences.

The screenshots in the magazine lead me to believe there is more armor customization.

• The slain figure falling down on pages 50 and 51 appears to have two different pauldrons.
  
• The Dunmer on page 50 has the same set of straps on his back that the Nord does on the page about relating with NPCs. The difference is that the Dunmer has clothing underneath the straps while the Nord has none.
  
• The Dunmer also has an iron/silver-looking left pauldron on top of another leather pauldron, while the Nord has a left pauldron of just leather, not the iron piece.

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