I would rather not see it because when I am in first person I want to see the actual game not the person

Erm, so you want to feel like two arms flying in the air instead of an actual person? >.>

YEP, becuase I am not focusing on the person I am focusing on the game

Your character is part of the game! How in the heck does your argument even make sense? By your logic we wouldn't have any graphics at all. Since the object of the game is to fight and win, all you need are the stats, just accumulate big numbers and then victory! No need to look at anything.

You obviously have a point here. I mean, it's not like the person is a part of the game or anything... Right?

Edit: Oh snap... Someone beat me to it!

For me it would make it a little more believable but if they don't do it no biggie, lots of games don't and it will probably be modded in anyway.

I fully support this idea, as others have said it really improves the 1st person experience.
Secondly I would love to know what games people have been playing wherein visible legs actually obstruct your vision to any serious degree, because I have never found it to be a problem before.

if I want to see my person I go into 3rd person view, when I am in first person I dont spend 20min just standing there anolyzing my character

So what? Some people do.

Not only that but the argument here isn't about spending 20 minutes anolyzing the character, it's about including legs. It would be the same argument for including arms, or including weapons. It's just nice to see them because they add to the experience, whether or not they actually need to be there.

Then don't.

I really do not see how adding visible first person legs into the game is going to force you to "spend 20min just standing there anolyzing" your character.

You aren't making any sense man.

You don't have to bash him for having a different opinion and keep exaggerating his "logic".
He has a valid point that visible legs and bodies add nothing to the game play itself because you focus on what is in front of you and rarely have any reason to really pay attention to your legs. Yes I know it helps the "immershun", but does it make the game more fun? No. And isn't that the point of games? Yes.
Basically it's not necessary at all and the only point is to add to the "immurshun" which most people don't play the game for.

Actually, I think it does add to the gameplay. It allows you to judge a ledge or walkway a lot easier if you see your feet beneath you. Basically, it puts things into scale, if you see where I am going with this.

If you want to see your legs, look down!

If you want to play a game with good graphics and spears and mounts, imagine it in your head!

well 1 reason I dont think this will ever happen is becuase if you can see your legs the developers have to create better meshes with higher polys and larger textures, that will basically waste processing on something you will hardly ever see.

Try the TFC console command in Oblivion then (while in First person view obviously)

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I too would like to see it. I was trying to explain that Swarley Swazenoskie had a valid opinion and you don't have to twist his/her words because they have a different opinion. I do realize it wasn't you, you just happened to reply.

edit:forgot quote

Lol @ reason.

1) Yeah... the arm meshes are so high poly and large textures as well: http://www.skyrimportal.com/media/blogs/skyrim/skyrim10.jpg

2) Yeah... it will totally waste processing power on a mesh or two. The CPU will fry.

3) Yeah... you hardly ever see your legs, nor your body, nor your arm. You never look down from cliffs as you did in the trailer and you never jump. You also never run.

./ Sarcasm.

I didn't twist his words at all. I quoted him exactly. His opinion is that the legs aren't part of the game, that's false. His opinion is that they shouldn't be in because you don't focus on them. That's also false.

The player character is a BIG part of the game. Plus there are lots of things in the game that are there even though you don't focus on them. Peripherals are crucial to a fun experience. I didn't twist anything.

His opinion is one thing, but his logic is flawed.

So because he doesn't focus on the character and focuses on the game around his character his logic dictates graphics aren't needed and everything should just be numbers and stats and then victory? sorry if I don't understand.

All I did was take the reasoning that he used and applied it to other things. That's called extending logic, or following logic to a conclusion. The reasoning he used is:
"It's not something that the game focuses on, therefore we don't need it."

He applied that reasoning to the player legs. I applied it to almost everything else in the game.

Person/character is the main part of the game.

Edit:
Not to mention that it will be stupid not to be able to see your legs in case we get kicks or something like that.

Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
No, it's kick out of nowhere (literally)!

Exactly, he applied it to the legs not everything else as you did. He applied them to 1st person legs which are not as pertinent or crucial to a good or fun game experience as you seem to think. Neither morrowind nor oblivion had them are you saying they weren't good games?


So by your logic any game without first person legs is not good therefore most modern 1st person games are not good. see how that works?

btw he said he doesn't focus on the character not that the game doesn't so actually his reasoning is "I don't focus on it so I don't think it's necessary" which is an opinion not logic as your seem to be throwing that word around like a vulcan.

Showing your own body when you look down is the first stage for some not weird self shadow to show. Having your own shadow cast from nothing visible is REALLY weird.

Adding peripherals makes the game better. A game with more peripherals is better than a game without them.

The absence of a peripheral doesn't make a game bad. It makes the game less good than if it had the peripheral.

When arguing about the inclusion of a certain feature, argue the pros and cons. There is nothing BAD about adding an extra feature, so don't argue against including it.
Unless of course you say something useful, such as a reduction of framerate or some other actual, tangible loss that we would experience from the addition.

I'm not saying that legs are critical. I'm saying that, ceteris paribus, peripherals should be included. If you want to argue in a coherent way that they should be out, saying something like "they aren't important" or "I don't focus on those" doesn't advance your position at all.

Also, I never said that a game without legs is bad. I said that a game without peripherals is bad.


Also, please realize that if he had presented all this as his opinion, which you seem to think is what he did, then it would be different. Saying "I don't think they add much so I don't think they need to be there" is one thing.
That's not what he said.

He said "Don't include them because the game doesn't focus on them." That is a statement of fact, not an opinion.