What the [censored] are you talking about? PROVE ME WRONG. You aren't a writer at Bethesda and the technical defination of what a Enclave is is both irrelivant and used incorrectly to support your own agruement. Any rewrites you wish to do go against what has been previously established? Are you delusional? PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, no President of the Enclave; there is no room for leverage here.

As for Richardson lying why don't you go ahead and read his damn dialouge, he [censored] laughs when you threat to take him hostage and sounds bored when you say your going to shoot him, he is willing to martyr himself for his own cause because he believes that he will die a patriot and a servant of humanity. Everything else he says has been provoed correct so on this one little detail, which he mentions completely in the offhgand to you threatening him, he lied for no reason? Willful bias and borderline sillyness on your part.

nice look at the 3rd definition. Im pretty sure Enclave in fo are a secret society, not a piece of land.

Definition 3 fits fo Enclave much better.

I must have missed something. What do you mean by "I will fully explain" and "when they put me in charge"? Bethesda is going to hire you and put you in charge of making the next Fallout?

America hated the World and the World hated America. The memebers of the Enclave hated Communists and so so on. Why would they ally with people from other nations? This idea that they have world bases is total crap. The Virus from Fallout 2 would have killed any of these other Enclave anyways.

They wouldn't even be American from what you just said. They would be people from other Nations forming their own Enclave. Pretty much what you are saying is that Fallout needs to be re writen in order to have the Enclave back.


Enclave- a minority culture group living as an entity with in a larger group = Enclave remnants could very well be in Midwestern Brotherhood. :shifty:

I love it, but this will be one game. A couple more in the east and south, and the US will be settled. As the US is getting settled Canada is getting settled. were ever we go things will get more and more like sims as fo years pass. By bringing a powerful Enclave back ( when the series is almost over) fo can be extended. They will be the only ones powerful enough to bring NCR CL BoS factions to their knees.

So if im reading this right, what you mean is that the Enclave is actually made of people from around the world? That there is/was a "world Enclave" and Richardson was just in charge of the "U.S. Branch"?

Bullcrap.

Enclave= United States of America. There is no if, ands, or buts about that.

Its a joke "me being in charge" Pertains to understanding that things were not fullh explained by Bethesda in fo3. I would be sure to do so.

@Mr. Enclave did I say the word "lie" or the words "not mention" to make himself look good? Big difference really...........

Don t enbrace my Idea of fo end game, have it turn to sims after the US is settled. I ll live.......

An Enclave that thinks like Autum sweeping in several games down the line and taking over is a plot change the series may need. Then you truely could join the Enclave or fight with the resistance. It would string it along for a few more games at least. NCR, BoS, CL, and whom ever else would be forced to put their petty differences aside or join the Enclave or die.

Good fo end game senerio to me. Better than sims or just not making anymore fo IMO The rich people world is not like regular people world.

No telling what they all decided to do before the war. I m sure they did not go down with their respective flags.

I'm not going to irradiate my legs or loss anymore sleep waiting for you respond Rook. Point is you've decended into complete fan-fiction not backed up or based but what you would personally like to change; I thought poor Styles was waiting 10 years for his canon Tactics ending and that you hated multi-endings because we can't speculate, well aparently you not only approve of developers having the ability to erase bits from canon to suit their whims but you would also join in straight away and turn the Enclave into some globalist regime.

So yeah, you have failed to produce anything to combat anything said and instead just told us what you would like to do; I'll refresh this page in 5 hours when I get up and I will never let you forget this the next time you [censored] about New Vegas's 4 endings.

EDIT: I don;t want to join the Enclave, I want it to die before it becomes anymore conveluted plot-holes.

So you really think that within the space of a few games, all the factions spread out across the US will lay down there arms and settle? That Fallout is going to stop having wars involved in the plot and its addage "war never changes" will mean nothing? And you think the Enclave is needed to stop this future from occuring?

Huh?

Yes it is world wide rich people and corp owners. What else are they going to do 3-5 games from now? Do or anyone else have a better idea when the U.S. and Canada are so settled that it is like playing sims?

The End? CL legion trys NCR again? Lyons bos forces its self into other peoples territorry?

The mid west bos should be answered sooner than later.


Main point is.......... What else could the series do to stay interesting when that time comes?

No it isn't, the shadow government rich people crap comes from the Bible and has never even been hinted at in any game thus far. The Enclave is by it's very name intrinsically linked to the ENCLAVE Oil Rig and I don't care whether you want Richardson to have been lying on that one off-hand statement, there is no reason for him to have too.

But...its not. Thats the thing. The Enclave existed in the U.S. only, and before the war it was the United States Government (and still is). The way I view it, it was essentialy a codeword for the alliance of key corporations (such as Vault-Tec) with the higher echelons of the U.S. Government, with the intent of surving a nuclear war and destroying communism once and for all.

There is absolutely nothing that says they were connected with other countries, you are basically writing fan-fiction at this point.

They could let the series end. Enclave arn't around the world. There are three games that say they arn't. 3-5 games from now they may be running out of ideas but that is no need to rehash old stuff or do a reboot ike the Simpsons.

Bethesda would just have to get new writers and think of something else to add to the universe. They could also bite the bullet and go back in the timeline and set games based in different locations.

They could also do something very different. They could jump far into the future around the year 4477 where America and the rest of the World is rebuilt and yet "war, war never changes" and the world is once again reduced to nuclear cinders.

Guess I am ranting now, point is Enclave are not around the world. Making it so they do have world bases 3-5 games from now will only be saying that the last games were wrong. IMO those games are right and that game would be wrong.

@ Mr Enclave I think joining factions and multiple endings are here to stay. Once exposed to it people will not want to go back to morality choices that have nothing to do with the end of the game.

The people that want the came to countinue don t want it to countinue so they know a canon ending, they want it because tgey didn t save, or they want to run around with Lanius s mask, or they want all 5 endings extended. I seem to be the only one that wants a canon ending, so ive excepted the fact that fo4 will more likely have factions you can choose. People liked it more than a real story ending with choices else where in the game. People want to make who they like win. They don t care if they would really die with cl. In their minds cl won or really has a chance to win.

My only hope is that fo4 will tell us what happened in fo nv and fo what ever will tell us what happened in fo4. I think a real ending in fo is now a long shot. I ll have to wait I think.

I understand completely Lt. Mr. Enclave and Styles, but It could be possible is all Im saying.


I guess Ive made a fool of my self enough here. I believe what I say could have happened. Rich British people don t care if the little people hate the little people in the US or what the few true people in the government think. They needed to pull resourses to stay alive.

Im not saying this did happen, but a likely senario.

I suppose anything is possible, but there is a difference between whats possible, what's realistic, and what actually happened.

Remember in the 1st SAW the dead guy in the middle of the floor wasn t really dead. All the in movie evidence pointed to someone else besides a dead man on the floor being the mastermind of it all, but low and behold just when you were like WTF. The dead man wasn t dead at all, and he set up the whole thing.


My Enclave idea 3-5 games from now could be kind of like that. No one really says 100% to the contrary of my idea, and Richardson didn t really lie, but just not mention. It me giving a plausable explaination for a major Enclave take over 3-5 gamew from now.

I m not saying this is how it is, but only how it could be. Pre war rich people don t didn t hate each other. They made a plan we have only seen the main US Enclave. This is only a reasonable idea.

Sounds like someone took my off-hand remark of a global "enclave" and ran in a completely random direction with it...

The thing is it isn't just Fallout 2 that says they don't have world wide bases. It is Fallout 3 and New Vegas as well. With what you are saying these other Enclave wouldn't even be American so why would they come to America? Since the Enclave don't have the ability to talk to one another they could have evolved very differently, run things differently and have different tech.

The Enclave in Fallout 2 sure as hell didn't give a crap about these "possible" other Enclaves because they were going to kill them all off with a super virus. There are no other bases around the World. The Enclave were super pro-American and super anti communist group. They would not have worked with other nations to form Enclaves in other nations. World Hated America and America hated the world.

In a future game say Fallout 9 they come along and say "hey people remember the Enclave? Well they are back from and they were in Timbuktu the whole time!" It would just be super stupid and would be the time to call an end to Fallout. I am worried about Fallout 4 so I really don't want to be worrying about Fallout 5 to 9.

The Enclave are not the Umbrella Corporation.

These, Rook, what you are saying is completely in opposition to the evidence in-game, and is only an extreme exploitation of a loophole from a non-canon source.

I think the only 'they hid' location would be in the uninhabited regions of the American Territory of Canada. And even then, we're honestly looking at a Fallout 40-60 years after 3 before the Enclave is a potential military threat again.

And, realistically, only in the immediate area of wherever their base was, unless they drastically change their "Wasters need not apply" policy..

What if Daniel Littlehorn is part of the Enclave? What if the Enclave hasn't shown it's full hand? What if the Enclave as we know it is just a facade? What if the real beast is slumbering, waiting, for something that has yet to happen? What if, the next time we see them their purpose has changed? And they are no longer a "evil" group? What if MOFOS!??!?!?!? :jammasterjay:

SURE, WHY NOT ADD IN AN ARMY OF BATMEN TO COMBAT AN ARMY OF PSYCHOTIC CLOWNS, THAT'LL BE FUN TO WATCH, TO ALL HELL WITH CONTINUITY AND SETTING, WE NEED POINTLESS RETCONNING ENTICEMENT!

What if President Kimball was an android, what if Julie Farkas is actually a rouge shape-shifting Mothership Zeta survivor, what's if based on nothing. We do see all of the Enclave, the name Enclave comes from or inspired the name of their headquarters - the ENCLAVE Oil Rig - so yeah that place was their headquarters. Definative line from the PresidentL

{273}{prs54}{You could try, I suppose, but soon the staff of the Enclave and Navarro will be inoculated.}

Navarro suvivors when then led by Autumn's father to Raven Rock where Fallout 3 and Broken Steel ensued; whatever survived my well fall back to the Chicago Outposts which ED-E mentioned.

Of course, I wonder what survivors those would be. In my games, the Chosen One left Navarro a corpse-strewn horror show. Something about a PPK12 at close range...