Warhammer 40.000 : Othor Games

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:36 am

They really only care about fighting, and that's just about it. Every other faction has some motive that's worse. They don't really carry any malice and hate

I figured that was probably what you had in mind. But "most good" isn't really the right term

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Not a clue what a "utilitarian" is but yeah. Basically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism is a theory from the ethics branch of philosophy (the one that deals with morals, basically).

The humans are nationalists to the point of fascism, who will kill, torture, or worse anyone who does anything that could be construed as contrary to the good of the Empire. Wiping out whole planets isn't even the most they'll do, and they don't always have good reason for it.

The Eldar will allow any number of aliens to die if it is to their slightest benefit, and will sacrifice anything if the future gains are greater.

For the Tyrannids and Necrons, there isn't even any observable sense of self, so they fall into the "for the greater good!" category by default.

At least the Tau empire tries to make life nice for people (that is, after all, its stated goal), it just expects all its people to about as altruistic as it is possible to be.

As to the Tau empire and freedom. it allows the humans within some autonomy, and to worship the Emperor if they want to. They're more like the Roman empire than the British empire: they absorb and influence, rather than imperialistic colonisation.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:22 pm

Psh, bunch of Tau propaganda.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:32 am

Psh, bunch of Tau propaganda.

It's the pheremones I tells ya, the pheremones! Can't trust them mind-controlling, pheremone producing Ethereals. We should solve the etheral problem by producing virus bombs tailored specifically to them. Wipe out the leadership and the Tau will descend into civil war!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:12 am

I've got chapters within my legion that have been pushing them backwards. Chaos shall consume the damned Tau, who are too ignorant to live! At least with the orkz they're too dumb to die.

Personally, I believe the Ethereals have complete and total blackout when it comes to any mention of Chaos. I know they secretly fear us.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:05 am

I've got chapters within my legion that have been pushing them backwards. Chaos shall consume the damned Tau, who are too ignorant to live! At least with the orkz they're too dumb to die.

Personally, I believe the Ethereals have complete and total blackout when it comes to any mention of Chaos. I know they secretly fear us.

I bet the threat of Chaos is why the tau sterilize their human population. They don't want to risk daemonic incursion caused by human cultists.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:34 pm

I personally think Orks are the coolest. Like someone said before, they have no hate. No malice. Just "build" "kill" and "rock the [censored] out."

There's a zen to that in and of itself.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:03 pm

I personally think Orks are the coolest. Like someone said before, they have no hate. No malice. Just "build" "kill" and "rock the [censored] out."

There's a zen to that in and of itself.

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHPTeyQZWKA

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:16 am

And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHPTeyQZWKA

Da bigga da 'at da moor bedda da stoopid 'oomie. Da problem wif da stoopid 'oomiez iz dat dey ull runtz. Dat why dey uze big 'atz ta make demselvz luk bigga 'nd da bozz. Dey iz stoopid!

Wiff dem spiky boyz, dey smart. Like wiff uz orkz, da bigga da spiky boy, da badder 'nd meaner dey iz 'nd ar da bozz. Dat make dem bedda fer fightin' dem da stuupid 'oomiez! Dey iz tuffer too, but not dem stoopid smull gitz dey uze.

Yes I know how to speak ork. Khorne finds their zeal for battle exhilarating and an expectation bar for his soldiers. This is also why he has swayed a few warbands into his service and keeps a Waaaaagh!!! on one of his demon worlds in the Eye of Terror. In fact, those orkz find that world to be their afterlife, and enjoy plenty of good fighting day after day after day.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:57 am

I have been tempted for the longest time to write an essay in Ork-Speak, it would make my day to see a teachers reacion like that

Also, Hellsmouth, is your avatar a picture of Mortarion? Did you hear what Matt Ward did to Mortaion in the new Grey Knights Codex?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:49 am

I have been tempted for the longest time to write an essay in Ork-Speak, it would make my day to see a teachers reacion like that

Also, Hellsmouth, is your avatar a picture of Mortarion? Did you hear what Matt Ward did to Mortaion in the new Grey Knights Codex?

Didn't mortarion get beaten up by the some Draigo guy of the Grey Knights in the new codex?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:17 am

Haven't read the new codex, nor do I want to hear about the grey knights being too good :banghead: . And yes, my avatar is good ol' Mort, but with the symbol of Vinegar Ra on his cloak.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:44 am

Haven't read the new codex, nor do I want to hear about the grey knights being too good :banghead: . And yes, my avatar is good ol' Mort, but with the symbol of Vinegar Ra on his cloak.

From what I've heard about the new codex, it seems you will not want to hear about it's contents.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:53 pm

I figured. GW has a huge boner for the empire, particularly the spess mehrens and anything relating to spes mehrens (save for Chaos). Hell, when the new Chaos codex came out, the guys on another forum I went too acknowledged it was horrid and wouldn't have cared if the previous codex was used.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:49 am

A race that would gladly kill you for the so-called "Greater Good" and if you want independence, well, good luck with that.

Wait, I herd this story before. Oh yeah the Emperor of mandkind doing this on "His Crusdae". What a shame GW can't think of anything orginal anymore. Everything they do is borrowed from somewhere else, no orginality at all.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:15 am

Of course, the empire will eventually win, if GW lets the franchise end or something. They just luv those spess mehrens.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:35 am

From what I've heard about the new codex, it seems you will not want to hear about it's contents.

What happened? (You can put it in spoilers)

Because it sounds like GW pulled off another Angron with the Primarch felled by a full company (100) of Grey Knights and decided to do the same with Mortarion.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:53 am

I think it's safe to assume it's considered an Exterminatus if 10 Grey Knights show up at a place at this point.

Lame.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:52 am

What happened? (You can put it in spoilers)

Because it sounds like GW pulled off another Angron with the Primarch felled by a full company (100) of Grey Knights and decided to do the same with Mortarion.

Spoiler

Kaldor Draigo, supreme grand master of the Grey knights, beat up Mortarion's elite bodyguard, beat up Mortarion himself, and carved the name of his predecessor (who mortarion killed) into Mortarion's [censored] heart. Now he's wandering around the warp curbstomping daemons, and being an ass to everyone in the eye of terror. Oddly enough, when he manages to get out of the warp, he ends up eventually going back much like a daemon would.

Another member of the Grey Knights (I forget the name) weilds a daemonic sword with a powerful daemon inside it. Apparently, he's so uber-[censored] pure that having him weild the damn thing in combat is a better idea than locking it up on Titan, or you know, throwing it into a star or something.

The author of the codex has some strange aversion to the word "Psyker" apparently.

A lot of people aren't satisfied with the way the Grey Knights are portrayed. They now look like guys who get to use daemonic stuff and junk but are sooooo pure they can't be corrupted.

the codex author also re-surfaced some old fluff about grey knights mind-wiping peeps who witnessed their operations. Mind-wipes that include Space marines in their victim lists. The Problem with that is the idea hasn't actually been used by anyone in quite some time, so you've got plenty of examples of no mind-wipes occuring.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:17 am

Spoiler

Kaldor Draigo, supreme grand master of the Grey knights, beat up Mortarion's elite bodyguard, beat up Mortarion himself, and carved the name of his predecessor (who mortarion killed) into Mortarion's [censored] heart. Now he's wandering around the warp curbstomping daemons, and being an ass to everyone in the eye of terror. Oddly enough, when he manages to get out of the warp, he ends up eventually going back much like a daemon would.

Another member of the Grey Knights (I forget the name) weilds a daemonic sword with a powerful daemon inside it. Apparently, he's so uber-[censored] pure that having him weild the damn thing in combat is a better idea than locking it up on Titan, or you know, throwing it into a star or something.

The author of the codex has some strange aversion to the word "Psyker" apparently.

A lot of people aren't satisfied with the way the Grey Knights are portrayed. They now look like guys who get to use daemonic stuff and junk but are sooooo pure they can't be corrupted.

the codex author also re-surfaced some old fluff about grey knights mind-wiping peeps who witnessed their operations. Mind-wipes that include Space marines in their victim lists. The Problem with that is the idea hasn't actually been used by anyone in quite some time, so you've got plenty of examples of no mind-wipes occuring.

Is it possible that the wipes simply went out of fashion for a while?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:51 pm

Is it possible that the wipes simply went out of fashion for a while?

That's certainly a good fanon for it, but the problem is there's no real hint for it in the codex.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:37 pm

Ugh....I thought Grey Knights were supposed to hate ALL things Chaos. Bleh, and the fact that they seem WAAAAAAY above even Chapter Masters of the regular Spess Mehren chapters irks me. I know they're supposed to be the best of the best and uncorruptable, but that's just [censored] cheesy. It's now a complete surprise why they have yet to completely shut the Eye of Terror and bring the Emprah out of his coma.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:40 pm

Ugh....I thought Grey Knights were supposed to hate ALL things Chaos. Bleh, and the fact that they seem WAAAAAAY above even Chapter Masters of the regular Spess Mehren chapters irks me. I know they're supposed to be the best of the best, but that's just [censored] cheesy. It's now a complete surprise why they have yet to completely shut the Eye of Terror and bring the Emprah out of his coma.

Yeah, the fluff makes them way too uber. Relic could have written better fluff.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:03 am

Used to be that Grey Knights were just very strong-willed terminator marines with low-level psychic abilities. A whole squad was still toast if like a greater daemon showed up, unless they had a hero/inquisitor lord or whatnot with them, and a bunch of luck. Usually teleported into missions, and seldom wasted on battles where the space marine chapters (or the long-suffering Imperial Guard) could make do.

They had some cool http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2018smgreyknightterminator.jpg too.

Eh, lost interest in new 40k material around the time Gav Thorpe started writing it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:09 am

Yeah, quite frankly, the author of the Grey Knights codex (Matt Ward is his name, I believe) is getting alot of flak for making the Grey Knights fluff so absurdly ridiculous. I think carving your name into a Daemons Primarch's heart simply does not happen. It just makes no sense considering how powerful Mortarion is. I hear Ward is writing the Necrons Codex, and also really screwed up with some of the Blood Angels fluff, so I just hope the new Necons codex is better.

In other news, I finished Gaunts Ghosts: First and Only yesterday, and I am not dissapointed with it at all, which is unusual for 40k books. Abnett is an amzing author, he does great things with the Black Library. I highly reccomend him.

Also, I don't think it makes any sense for the Imperium to come out of all the crap they are in alive. They are getting attacked by unumerable Orks, more and More daring Eldar and Dark Eldar attacks, the Tau are taking thier land, Tyranids have pretty much devoured most of the Segmentium Ultra, and Chaos is beating them down at all sides. Honestly, it makes sense if the empire were to fall, buuuut I know Games Workshop won't let that happen, sadly.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:04 am

Have you read the commisar Kain books?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1844166678.01._SX240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Also some good stuff, a much different Commisar then Gaunt, mostly because he's funny.