I think it's a theme of the setting, perhaps an important one, that to achieve victory -- to survive -- mankind is required to be extraordinarily militant and unpleasant. The Emperor was a complete monster by our modern real-world standards, and a man like him was required to save mankind. It's an uncomfortable truth, in a setting full of uncomfortable truths.

You like Horus then. He preferred diplomacy even learning local customs to persuade over people into joining the emperium before bloodshed. But then he would of course lead you into the oblivion, having the ruinous powers gnaw on your soul for all eternity in that lovely little event called Horus Heresy.

He wasn't always working for Chaos. And even when he was, he was only trying to prevent what the H.H. caused .

Horus is starting to look like a Saint compered to the Emperor.

True, they did need an upgrade. And the new DE models look amazingly Badass. I'm pretty sure that necron's will probably get a new codex soon (Maybe by the end of the year if we are lucky), because I think they are the only army right now running on a dated codex now that DE got upgraded. Still, The DE's new Codex is now almost perfectly suited to killing Nids, which does not make me happy :dry:







Yet, Sanguinus was so much cooler than all of them...

Horus was an alright dude before he turned to Chaos, The Emperor was smart, but a jerk at times, and half the primach's were really Whiny (Nobody like you, Primarch Gulliman, just like no one likes the Ultramarines...) and the other half were really cool (Like Konrade Kurze, AKA BATMAN IN SPAAAAACE!!!)

Gulliman is a Mr. Perfect who farts pixie dust and smells like freshly baked cinnamon rolls. [censored] Ultramarines.

Ahem. No love for Russ?

Space viking - check.
Has a gigantic tank named after him - check.
May not actually be dead/promised to return from the dead - check.
Beat the Emperor of Mankind in a drinking contest - check.

A gigantic tank with numerous variations I love the Russ tanks. I love Basilisks too.

I want a Warhammer 40K game built around the tabletop game but in an RTS fashion with all the stuff from the tabletop

Don't forget the Sisters. Sisters and Necrons are still 3rd edtion codex. Tau is 4th edtion. Funny Tau players. Some say they are perfectly fine, need small changes, while others say they need lots of changes.

So who knows what will be released at the end of 2011.

Dawn of War 1, maybe 2 (never played it), is the best you'll get.

In the Emperor's defence, he was (and still is) the oldest human ever. Probably one of the oldest living beings of any species, too. So its kinda understandable for him to be a littlecranky and have no patience for the sort of crud he'd been watching people do for friggin' millennia, especially after seeing multiple collapses of civilisation :shrug:.

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Perhaps the latter group are just doing it wrong?

I know

DoW 2 and the expansions aren't that bad, actually. The sountracks are pretty good as well. If only it weren't for GFWL...

If you want RTS with more of the Epic 40k units (tanks, titans, etc) there's always http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Liberation, though it's really old now.

I dunno. Well, I have all of DoW 1 so I might pick it up. After watching a LEt's Play or two



"Really old" doesn't cut it. Try "Ancient" instead

I get roughly the same vibe from playing DoW II as I did playing DoW. Even though the premise is different in the campaign (squad-based instead of base building), and you only have a single playable faction (space marines) before Retribution, I still thoroughly enjoyed it. Might be because I have a thing for the Space Marines, though.

I found multiplayer to be a bit lopsided, not in the least due to the horrible automatch system. Though, to be fair, it's been nearly a year since I last played.

If you'd be interested, be sure to compare prices though. The gold edition (DoW 2 + Chaos Rising) costs $ 30 on Steam. Where I live, the retail version is at least 5-10 dollars cheaper.

I have a question who's better Rogal Dorn, Ferrus Manus or Leman Russ

Learning towards Leman Russ, in terms of fighting. Ferrus was great at making stuff, but kinda stupid and got his head cut off by that [censored] Slaanesh primarch. Rogal Dorn, while kind of a dike for glory hogging, was still a pretty good fighter, but was KIA. Leman Russ, however, was a beast and is only MIA currently.

Yeah I tend to agree, okay this is just a guess are these your two fav primarchs, Angron and Mortarion

Going to have to agree with you on this one (wow thats weird). Afterall Rogal Dorn is good at defending but thats about it, Ferrus got his head cut of by former BFF Fulgrim and besides you forgot to mention that Leman broke Magnus the Red's spine on his knee and would have killed Magnus among the greatest in my mind of the primarchs had Tzeentch not got involved.




Mortarion is pretty much assured given he has the guy as a avatar.

When the Emperor dies isn't he supposed to come back as the starchild or something?

That is current unknown. Most hypotheses have a bit of stuff to support them (GW seems to be hinting at a few things), but are essentially wild mass guessing.

Mortarion is pretty much assured given he has the guy as a avatar.
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Yeah but he can't have both at the same time, can he?

That is easy. Lion El Jonson is the Best.

Khorne and Nurgle not direct enemies, and Nurgle isn't really known for magic. Both are death gods, with tough warriors. Neither of them like Tzeentch, and Nurgle took an Eldar goddess away from Slaanesh with force, so there's hardly any love between the Dark Lord and the Lord of All. I'd say these two are a match made in the Warp.

Too bad he's a vegetable right now.