Was it ever explained who Martin's mother was?

I can't remember if the game covered this or not and I "uninstalled" Oblivion ages ago.

Not that I recall

i remember something being said that he was illegitimate so maybe the emperor was a pimp those robes sure look like it

I am sure you can get a much better answer to this question in the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showforum=16 Forum.. :foodndrink:

No wonder there are so many Spriggans; the Emperor has been sowing his wild oats!

In-game, Martin is just a convenient plot device cleverly voiced by Sean Bean. It's never explained where he came from, other than the fact that he was Uriel VII's super-secret bastard (as opposed to his already existing and quite public bastard, Calaxes. Ugh, these people have no idea how to account for their own lore...but I digress).


Out-of-game, developer Ken Rolston wrote a piece in which Caius Cosades visits Uriel Septim's grave. In it, he mentions a woman named Gemile, who is basically said to be Martin's mother. Why he would hide THIS bastard from his wife, Caula Voria, and not the other one was not addressed. You can read the piece http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosades_visit.shtml.

I don't think he was hiding Martin from his wife, he was hiding Martin from everyone (and not just those on the Mundus). Not to hide yet another bastard child, but to have an ace-in-the-hole because he knew full well what fate his and his other (possibly not even his) sons had in store. Dagon's hordes used the proverbial hammer on Kvatch because they had no idea where to stick the dagger like they did in the IC escape route.

Since in Caius's Visit to Uriel's Grave he mentions that he did the dirty with "Gemile" after the Warp in The West, it would indicate that he sired Martin after his captivity during the Simulacrum. It chronologically fits.

Am I the only person who thinks 'Gemile' is an adjective -ethnicity or nationality- rather than a name? It's the word choice.

Given Uriel's ability to have visions, I believe that he conceived Martin as insurance if someone managed to kill off him and his known sons (heck, he may have even known it was going to happen), and would entrust this information only to the head of his bodyguards. Pretty smart if you ask me.

And not because, you know, he's the most powerful and irresistible man alive with a [censored] of a wife and likes to [censored] a [censored] with [censored] every now and then?

I do not remember any direct talk about a mother.I however think;the king having those visions of his.Clearly knew that Martin had to be hidden so he could close the gates.Just think back to the start of OB;and all his,it's you stuff.It is quite clear the wise king knew what was to come.And used the visions wisley.

And mabey the mother was also thought of in this plot.

:hubbahubba: Funny how the Blades says they don't know if all his sons are dead, yet the Emperor keeps calm and keeps saying he's sure they're dead. He obviously knew it was happening.

Regardless of how clairvoyant the old man was, he would have been incredibly defeated and pessimistic. Dagon had already imprisoned and tormented him once before, and he could feel it happening again, but with finality.

He felt a disturbance in the Force.

But not before he used the Picard Maneuver as his escape plan.

Which forces me to link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddEIICbllAI.

well he forgot one minor detail about the future of his bloodline, martin dies! wow this leads me to the start of a new topic, i think i'll go post now...

Perhaps he didn't forget it. Perhaps he did it to merely facilitate the process of events that lead to Oblivion's end...

That sounds semi-lame though, but mainly because I think it's an easy thing to discern.

...Except he explicitly stated that he was not able to predict the PC's future, which leads me to believe that he could not accurately predict what would happen after his death and thus never knew about what Martin would do.

Of course, I might be taking it much too literally, and he only said that because, well, we're pretty much in charge of our own future.

This seems to neglect a post on the general forum which discussed children in oblivion.
Martin was a spore produced asixually by uriel, who slpit his chromozones like bacteria.
This is why no mother is mentioned.

It does sound like that.
Stupid fantasy names.

That's actually not an unusual word choice. It could refer to ethnicity or nationality, but it's not uncommon for a person to refer to someone else as "that [name] girl/boy/man/woman/etc." It may or may not be considered correct grammar, but it's not actually that odd. I usually hear it in a derogatory or rude sense. "That Jason guy, huh?"

It's not the way I'd put it, which made me think nationality, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a different way of phrasing it that fits the syntax of the sentence. Who knows.

Martin is illegimate, so I would assume that his mother was a prosttute.

Might as well be a servant/maid.

That's quite a leap of logic... How did you rule out secret mistresses, rivals' wives, and female servants? I sincerely doubt a man like Uriel would have to pay to get some horizontal action.