Was Mankar Camoran right?

Post » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:27 am

From the book Sithis: "So Sithis begat Lorkhan and sent him to destroy the universe."

From The Annotated Anuad: "The blood of Padomay became the Daedra. The blood of Anu became the stars. The mingled blood of both became the Aedra (hence their capacity for good and evil, and their greater affinity for earthly affairs than the Daedra, who have no connection to Creation)."

Lorkhan is not the blood of Sithis (hence a Daedra) and is not the mingled blood (A/D) but was born from Sithis alone. Like his master he is something entirely...different.

But then, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So in a sense Lorkhan is the (sub?)creator of Nirn - or at least its true First Cause.
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Post » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:51 am

im 50/50 on this one the nine only bless you with cures while the deadra can do that AND give you powerful weapons which suggests they have connections to both worlds. but talos did join them in the heavens so... and deadra are NOT immortal they are quite killable look at sheogorath.





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Post » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:25 pm


Lorkhan is not the blood of Sithis (hence a Daedra)

You just said he was. From the book Sithis: "So Sithis begat Lorkhan and sent him to destroy the universe."


and is not the mingled blood (A/D) but was born from Sithis alone.

The Daedra in that text, which shouldn't be taken at face value all the time (neither with Sithis), aren't mingled blood but pure Padomay. And none of the metaphorical accounts of creation are entirely consistent with the rather simple, elegant schema of enantiomorph.

So in a sense Lorkhan is the (sub?)creator of Nirn - or at least its true First Cause.

Of which Lorkhan is a part, making him special. Nirn is Lorkhan's project and it can't exist without his divine spark.
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Post » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:35 pm

Lorkhan is not the blood of Sithis (hence a Daedra) and is not the mingled blood (A/D) but was born from Sithis alone. Like his master he is something entirely...different.


Don't you think it's interesting that in the Anuad the Aedra are made of the mixed blood of Anu and Padomay while Sithis describes the Aedra as being of Anu while it describes Lorkhan as being of Sithis, but able to pretend to be of Anu.

Especially since "[Lorkhan] yearned for the return to flux", that is the time before Auri-El when new ideas were born only to pass away.

You might say that Lorkhan created these mixed Aedra. Or perhaps that the Aedra were changed by creation so that they are no longer what they were before.

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And ofcourse there is the problem of Sithis, Sithis and Sithis.

deadra are NOT immortal they are quite killable look at sheogorath.

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Post » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:22 am

About Dagon and such.

Where does the whole Alduin cursing him for trying to save pieces of the world for the next Kalpa come in? I mean under those conditions since Dagon saved some of the world he has some claim to it perhaps? Then he got cursed and thrown into Oblivion. When he was the Leaper Demon King maybe Nirn was his world. Do we KNOW any different?


Maybe....if Mehrunes Dragon = Magnus....
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