Exactly.

I'm sure they were. I was just referring to Beth's ones.

From a technical point of view for PC, no, its behind for a game released in 2011. Still on DX9 graphics!!!!!

Apart from that, I love it.

I wish Skyrim would have waited to take advantage of the new consoles.

Stil an awesome game, though!

It'll have been 2 years between Skyrim and next gen.

Oh lord, no. I wouldn't be playing anything now if TES wasn't here for the past two years. Ish. Well, actually I'd probably still be playing FNV with other stuff in between. But anyway, the game is fantastic as is. I just wish they waited a few months more for some of that cut content. And that they didn't drop whatever dlc they were planning.

Try a couple of more years...

The world itself is breath taking but that is no surprise since Bethesda excel when it comes to world building, but as for just about everything else in the game it could have been much better (could also have been worse).

I believe that Skyrim is "revolutionary" because it increased the popularity of open-world RPG games and caused a shift in consumer preferences.

Developers like Bioware and CD Projekt Red, among others, have used Skyrim as a model of what-to-do and what-not-to-do in their upcoming projects which have been confirmed as open-world games.

Proven by the fact that many of us still sit here worshipping every single fiber of the game. Something I've never seen before for any game, let alone any movie or other form of media.

"You can effect a town's economy by killing off certain workers. The economy is dynamic."

"Snow is programmed in real time. Objects in areas that snow a lot will start to get covered by it."

"Dragon AI is completely radiant and non-scripted."

"Nothing is pre-scripted in the game, and we could even see one of these villages fight each other due to a misunderstanding, or watching how the houses are burned due to a fire. Of course, the player can "play a role" on these catastrophes."

"There are five times the flowers we have in Oblivion to colect and to use them for potions."

"Radiant Story makes Skyrim different every time we start a new game."

"Every NPC′s remembers and behaves very realistically. We could reach a village and a priest could accuse us of a robbery in another village, because he was a witness."

"If you kill a shopkeeper, their relative will take over the shop." (like three specific shopkeepers have highly scripted setups for this to happen)

No wonder they keep lying to us if we all have short-term memories.

Do you have sources for any of those?

Some are from memory, some are googled. I know that within certain pre-release videos you could DEFINITELY find comments about the economy, NPCs taking over for shopkeepers, dragon AI and civilian AI in general, snow building up, Skyrim feeling "new every time" and the like.

The only two on that list I don't personally recall are the flower count and while there were lots of comments about NPC AI, I don't recall if "villages fighting" was ever one of them.

Normally I would provide sources, but these are legit just from random pre-release interviews all pieced together, so it'd be VERY time-consuming to find the right interviews. I trust though that others will come in and voice confirmation about hearing these. (which is also why I included those two I'm not familiar with; they sound potentially real but I'd like to see if people recognize them or not)

Soo... that's a no? Quoting from memory is what starts rumors. Like the snow build up. That was a rumor started before launch.

Without sourcing it just looks like a bunch of trumped up charges to pass an agenda... right?

Or you could simply wait until people arrive saying they recall the exact same claims being made. I mean really, there's nothing outlandish about anything on that list (cept those two I admit could be BS, again waiting for confirmation) and a lot of them are common knowledge.

As I said, normally I'd cite sources, but please go to Youtube and search "Skyrim interview." Not only will you get post-release interviews which aren't relevant, you'll get a massive list of 15 minute+ interviews. Sorry, but I'm not willing to spend the next two hours watching the same stuff be said over and over just to pinpoint each of these being said.

If you're truly trying to claim Bethesda doesn't have a reputation of lying and stretching the truth, I dunno what to tell you.

Here, I did manage to find http://skyrim-cover.blogspot.de/2011/06/economic-crisis-soon-to-be.html

EDIT: And http://youtu.be/QR1dBcSmfMU?t=2m10s. It would seem my annoyance with people actually having the gall to defend Bethesda or even just pretend or forget it never happened, OR my annoyance with being accused of being a liar with "an agenda" outweighs my desire to use my time on something more productive.

That's just it... you're not telling me anything. And don't put words in my mouth. The only claim I'm making is that your statements lack developer commentary. If you come out here and spin the facts you are not saying much. The burden of proof lies on you to backup your claims.

Lets look at the two you did manage to find...

Just as I thought. I told my friend... I said, "watch... he's going to come back with some jibber-jabber form a reporter and not a direct quote from a developer."

What is a lie in that?

I'm sorry you are having such a hard time finding the reliable sources. Wait... no I'm not. Neither am I concerned with you being annoyed. Which it would seem comes more from lack of material and being called out on this junk, than the general responses from the forum.

And please show me where I called you a "liar.'

Sorry, but i really don't feel that skyrim was anything 'special'. It's a good game no doubt about that, it's free roaming, lots of customisation, weapons, armour, races, some of the factions are interesting. But it just doesn't live up to the previous games. Lets not blow it out of proportion by saying things like "was it ahead of it's time" ahah no way!

Oh yes Skyrim was well ahead. I mean looking back vanilla skyrims graphics werent all that good and the voice acting was like an orc speaking into a bucket. but wow the open world and hundreds of quests as well as adventure round every corner made us cry in happiness.

I remember before release on the forums everyone talking about there ideas and how excited they are. I miss those times

It wasn't really revolutionary on console either. And just saying, the worst graphics the game can achieve is by running it on PC and not being able to slide past console performance.

If anything, the games's performance reminded you that you were playing a game where the developer isnt as good with consoles as other top developers.

Some of it comes down to misinterpretation by news sites or fans though. Or just general lack of details. They never mentioned snow building up, they always said 'dynamic snow'. Sure, they never specified exactly how it worked or what it did, but we did get that snow texture on objects that wasn't built in to the object's texture itself. That's all it was, and they never claimed it was anything else.

While I admit that I did not follow Skyrim's development, those lines are the types anyone should recognize as typical hype jargon. What I mean by that Bethesda didn't lie to us is that they did not list things that were not in the game in any form, or in the form demonstrated by pre-release gameplay videos. All but 2 of those things in you list were in the game, just half-assed, some more seriously than the others. For example the line about snow piling up is a lie, indeed, but NPC taking over a shop was just a plain ol' half-assing that does happen in the game, just not in the way it was hyped.

To me what separates hype from normal market talk is that it by default comes with extensive sugarcoating. I do not expect developers to be honest about their hype since that's just absurd to expect these days.

You if anyone should know that New Vegas gets the same treatment.

No, that was just severe exaggaration. Like Povuholo said above, there is an additional texture being placed on surfaces when it's snowing. Barely noticeable in the base game, but as always there's mod for that: http://www.skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/10383/

What is a lie in that?

I'm sorry you are having such a hard time finding the reliable sources. Wait... no I'm not. Neither am I concerned with you being annoyed. Which it would seem comes more from lack of material and being called out on this junk, than the general responses from the forum.

And please show me where I called you a "liar.'

1. You can't break the mill

2, Quests dump you into dungeons were you have been 15+ times

3. Dragons are scripted (they spawn the same spot, they fly the same routes...)

Skyrim is nothing special to me. I like the game, but that's it. Nothing else.

See, then? It's just hype talk. Strictly speaking, then, Bethesda did not lie about it. It simply exaggerated it. Is exaggeration not the key part of hype? That's what defines hype from normal marketing. I know if I'm going to follow the development of a hyped game, say Rome 2, I will know that whatever comes out of their mouths, I can cut in half and expect to see what it's really like.

Yes it is. That is why i only find out about games after they've been released

I should have done this with R2TW...

EDIT: Liked Skyrim day one though.