Was the dragon fight unscripted?

Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:22 pm

"Glad people got to finally see some Skyrim animation in this trailer. All that dragon stuff actually happens dynamically in-game."


Somehow, I don't beleive them. Maybe it's just me, but the whole thing seems too...Perfect. The cemera thing was obviously not in game since those angles just can't be done, So why not the whole fight?

Loved the trailer, but I don't think it was a read Dragon Fight.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Don′t be foolish, ofc the dragon fight was scripted, I′m just disappointed that people working for Bethesda are trying to say they were not D: Is the old Oblivion scene really going to repeat itself yet again ?

Sure the cameras were well put up but it all played out too well to be in-game footage, how the dragon just perfectly catches up to the Nord when he reaches the end of the cliff, how it lands back from him allowing him to step forward and how he allows for the slow dramatic rise after the fire breath instead of pummeling the nord while he has the chance, and then the fight perfectly leads to an area where the dragon can fall and slide a long way and it just so happens when they move the camera that there is a beautiful shot of a dragon sitting on a building and how the dragon just then suddenly flies off as if on queue.

The rest may be actual in game footage and dragon fights may play out masterfully but I will be disappointed if Bethesda does not admit that certain scenes in this video were scripted, before the game is out.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:10 am

They've probably used some tricks to make this trailer, at least a console command to make the dragon appear where it should be.

What they mean by this is that the dragon will probably act, and will be animated the same way we saw it here. Like it will swoop down on you, it will land and breath fire, and if you hit it hard enough in mid-flight it will fall down and crash.

Also the main dynamic thing with dragons, I think, is that they can appear anywhere, not just in set places.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:54 am

duh. after seeing the trailer I am getting this looming feeling that combat with dragons will be limited and the only way to kill them (if we can even fight them with swords, bows, whatever) it is only by dragon shouts. I fear they may have half assed it :(
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:44 pm

..when? And where did they say this? Can you give proof?

Your answer was only five posts above the one you quoted....

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Nick Breckon:
http://twitter.com/#!/nickbreckon/status/40798586128039936
"Glad people got to finally see some Skyrim animation in this trailer. All that dragon stuff actually happens dynamically in-game."

Pete Hines:
http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/40799803394756608
@OutlanderDF Yes, in-game. Only things not in-game are the shots of the wall from the previous trailer. Dragon fights are pretty epic

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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:42 pm

The dragon AI was incredibly incredibly well done.

It wasn't that intelligent, the dragon should have just pushed him off...it wouldn't make a good trailer though.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:14 pm

Of course some of this was scripted. Stop denying that.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:41 am

What do you think about wounded dragon's landing? After watching it frame after frame it looks like it causes major changes in environment - pushing a pile of dirt under body.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:09 pm

I've been looking at the reactions to the trailer. It seems many don't believe Bethesda when they say it was unscripted or it was in-game footage considering the bit with Oblivion's supposed radiant AI.

I hope Bethesda is looking to restore their credibility when it comes to talking about their upcoming games.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:41 pm

I think it was scripted insofar as everything was set up to happen at a certain point in time. Otherwise it would be very difficult to record. But I'm pretty sure all the animations, hit reactions, etc.. were all unscripted.

However there is one point during the battle where the dovahkiin apparently strikes at the dragon even though he's moved well out of range. This is something I would picture the player doing, not a scripted character.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:01 am

OK so does anyone understand that maybe it was not scripted but EDITED. There is a difference. The twitters basically just said that is was all in-game. So of course they are going to EDIT the gameplay to tell some sort of story, or the trailer would be pretty crappy.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:12 pm

Keep in mind, guys, they also said the oblivion trailer was unscripted.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:19 pm

Ofcourse it was you saw the fighting before the man cut open the dragon its JUST LIKE OBLIVION!
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:04 pm

Don′t be foolish, ofc the dragon fight was scripted, I′m just disappointed that people working for Bethesda are trying to say they were not D: Is the old Oblivion scene really going to repeat itself yet again ?

Sure the cameras were well put up but it all played out too well to be in-game footage, how the dragon just perfectly catches up to the Nord when he reaches the end of the cliff, how it lands back from him allowing him to step forward and how he allows for the slow dramatic rise after the fire breath instead of pummeling the nord while he has the chance, and then the fight perfectly leads to an area where the dragon can fall and slide a long way and it just so happens when they move the camera that there is a beautiful shot of a dragon sitting on a building and how the dragon just then suddenly flies off as if on queue.

The rest may be actual in game footage and dragon fights may play out masterfully but I will be disappointed if Bethesda does not admit that certain scenes in this video were scripted, before the game is out.


I didn't know you worked for bethesda! Indeed you must know more about this than us!

Guys, lets stop this whole "I know more about this trailer than bethesda does!" attitude. We know nothing about the type of gameplay in this game other than what we have seen in the trailer. And with bethesda specifically stating it is all unscripted gameplay and with nothing else for us to compare it too yet, then we have absolutely NO argument against it. So, as it stands right now, it is a FACT that the video is entirely unscripted gameplay until we can disprove it otherwise.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:52 pm

It might be all gameplay, but it still is scripted!
A lot of stuff in call of duty games is scripted, too, and yet it's all gameplay.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:07 am

It might be all gameplay, but it still is scripted!
A lot of stuff in call of duty games is scripted, too, and yet it's all gameplay.


I didn't know you worked for bethesda! Indeed you must know more about this than us!

Guys, lets stop this whole "I know more about this trailer than bethesda does!" attitude. We know nothing about the type of gameplay in this game other than what we have seen in the trailer. And with bethesda specifically stating it is all unscripted gameplay and with nothing else for us to compare it too yet, then we have absolutely NO argument against it. So, as it stands right now, it is a FACT that the video is entirely unscripted gameplay until we can disprove it otherwise.

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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:12 pm

Bethesda has already shown that its not to be trusted when it comes to hype. So why should we trust their "Its totally unscripted, yeah" attitude now? To me, particularly when comparing to the real gameplay parts later in the trailer, the dragon fight seems very scripted. In no situation in any game do things happen so fluidly and work out in such a perfect manner.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:50 am

If it's scripted, which I doubt, the fights are gona be bad... But that's not Bethasda's style.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:47 am

I didn't know you worked for bethesda! Indeed you must know more about this than us!

Guys, lets stop this whole "I know more about this trailer than bethesda does!" attitude. We know nothing about the type of gameplay in this game other than what we have seen in the trailer. And with bethesda specifically stating it is all unscripted gameplay and with nothing else for us to compare it too yet, then we have absolutely NO argument against it. So, as it stands right now, it is a FACT that the video is entirely unscripted gameplay until we can disprove it otherwise.


It might be all gameplay, but it still is scripted!
A lot of stuff in call of duty games is scripted, too, and yet it's all gameplay.

It is scripted, 100%. Or did there just randomly happen to be another dragon epicly flying off at the end of the trailer?


If it's scripted, which I doubt, the fights are gona be bad

What kind of logic is this?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:05 pm

You guys are seriously arguing over whether or not it was scripted?

...Really?

There are people out there that think it wasn't? I want to meet them.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:08 pm

Hmmm well it pretty much came from the horse's mouth that it was unscripted.

But my gamer sense in my gut says it has to be at least partly scripted.

Not sure what to believe.

That would have been hilarious if the dragon would have just knocked him off the cliff. Bye bye dragon born. :)
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:41 pm

Bethesda has already shown that its not to be trusted when it comes to hype. So why should we trust their "Its totally unscripted, yeah" attitude now? To me, particularly when comparing to the real gameplay parts later in the trailer, the dragon fight seems very scripted. In no situation in any game do things happen so fluidly and work out in such a perfect manner.


It always bugs me when people complain about the Oblivion Radiant AI video. That was not ever officially distributed by Bethesda to my knowledge, it was leaked footage intended to show journalist and industry insiders to help explain how character interaction could work in an ideal situation. It was footage you and me were never meant to see.

No one is forcing anyone to take them on their word this time, just wait until 11-11-11 and we'll all know what the game is like. I'd expect we'll see at least one video of someone actually fighting a dragon real time before launch though.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:06 pm

You guys are seriously arguing over whether or not it was scripted?

...Really?

There are people out there that think it wasn't? I want to meet them.


It really is absurd. I think some guys here have waaaay too high expectations and waaay too little knowledge of how games work.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:27 pm

I didn't know you worked for bethesda! Indeed you must know more about this than us!

Guys, lets stop this whole "I know more about this trailer than bethesda does!" attitude. We know nothing about the type of gameplay in this game other than what we have seen in the trailer. And with bethesda specifically stating it is all unscripted gameplay and with nothing else for us to compare it too yet, then we have absolutely NO argument against it. So, as it stands right now, it is a FACT that the video is entirely unscripted gameplay until we can disprove it otherwise.


Well what do you consider more likely ? That the dragon fight just happened to play out exactly like that when they were making a "trailer" that is designed to impress, and that a 2nd dragon just went for a flight as the camera moved over those rocks, or that it was scripted ?

And are you not giving Bethesda a bit too much credit when it comes to telling people their trailers represent what they may see in game considering last time ?

Don′t get me wrong, I think Bethesda is a great company but it seems they are trying to develop 0 credibility when it comes to their game-play videos and trailers claiming scenes happen in such fluid motions in game without a little bit of their help.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:49 pm

I took it to mean that the graphics are as they are in game, not that everything happens point by point in game like that. That's a hefty claim and I can't imagine how it would control if it's true unless all dragon battles are strings of reaction commands (which I doubt).
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