We all know that esentially, all AR-15 family weapons are basicall the same, with the vagaries being barrel length and buttstock. Newer ones have fancy rails and what not, but the guts, the basic upper receiver, the lower reciver and the bolt/bolt carrier are for the most part the same.
Without getting into a compete history, and streamlining it for discussion's sake, the AR-15, CAR-15, M-16 and M-4 are all the same basic weapon. Yes, they have changed the ROF over the years. Yes they come in different barrel lengths, differnt stocks, etc. But you can pin a M-4 upper receiver on a M-16 lower most times. So an M4 is really not a different weapon than the M-16 no more than the Karabiner98K is a different weapon than the full size Gewehr98. You can unscrew the m-16 buttstock and put a collaspable m4 style stock on. You can unscrew the barrel of an M4 and put on a 24" match barrel if you want. You can replace the stock foregrips with grips abounding with rails. None of this changes the fact that the basic parts of the rifle are built on the AR-15 style upper and lower receiver. Everything else is ancillary. You only start to deviate from this basic design when you see things like the H&K416 which make the fundamental change of replacing the gas impingment system with a short stroke gas piston. But even these H&K416 inprovements are not incompatable with the older models. You can pin a H&K upper right on an M16 lower to get the gas piston system. The recent post of the suggested inspiration for the camo rifle, the K-yote, is simply a regular AR-15A3 upper, match grade barrel installed, mated to a machined (rather than forged) lower with a magpul style stock installed. But it's still an AR-15.
All very true, but in terms of configuration, it is helpful to use the designations as it is an easy way to describe the configuration that the weapon in question most closely matches.
All-American is semi-automatic but, contrary to what the press has said for the past year or so, it is not a unique capital-S Sniper Rifle. It is a unique capital-M Marksman Carbine.
I believe the confusion comes from pre-release info for Van Buren, which you may remember featured the "All-American" as a full auto version of the DKS-501 Sniper Rifle.
They just assumed it would be the same thing in this game. Interesting to know now that it changed in this iteration, which I guess could be called its first.
Well Hitch my britches and call me Sally! Is this "camoflaged rifle" possibly the newly confirmed Marksman Carbine? All descriptors would fit. Carbine? Yes. Marksman? Has a scope, doesn't it, dufus? Yes. Is semi-auto. Yupper. Doesn't have a capital "S", Nope. Is this the 3rd AR-15 series model in the game? It sure sounds like it, contrary to my prior fervent belief, that Josh has given us the Assualt Carbine, the Battle Rifle AND the Marksman Carbine.
PS thanks Josh. for both the post, and the gun. You :rock:
Sounds legit to me. The All American is probably a stars and stripes version of the "camouflaged rifle".
One more quick correction: the weapon most users refer to as the "Battle Rifle" is called the "Service Rifle" in F:NV. It is not of sufficient caliber to merit the title "Battle Rifle".
Aha! So it is the delicious wood/bakelite retro style M-16 that I always wanted. Everyone always said it was just an AR-10 but I never believed it, not one bit!
So with that note, are there any true battle rifles in New Vegas? I suppose the Hunting Rifle and Lever Actions could pass in this role, but I was thinking something more like a CETME/G3, or a FAL.
Maybe you could bring back the R-91, put a longer barrel on it, chamber it in .308, and call it the R-93, the Battle Rifle version of the R-91.
*Doh, just remembered, you have the Garand. Still, a full auto battle rifle would be sweet.
» Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:27 pm 
