[Louise]

Hmm, that .45-70 Govt remains perplexing. Maye some sort of trapdoor rifle? Maybe a powerful bolt action? A BFR? Another Lever Action?

Maybe the Henry rifle will come back but chambered in .45-70 this time. Not Lincoln's rifle, maybe more like the "Lever Action Rifle" version from Point Lookout.

[Janeth Valenzuela Castelo]

Hmm, that .45-70 Govt remains perplexing. Maye some sort of trapdoor rifle? Maybe a powerful bolt action? A BFR? Another Lever Action?

Maybe the Henry rifle will come back but chambered in .45-70 this time. Not Lincoln's rifle, maybe more like the "Lever Action Rifle" version from Point Lookout.

I think we should stick with what we know: Josh seems to like Browning. It's either gonna be a lever like the 1886 or some type of single shot like the 1885, some creedmore type Ballard or Remington or something along those lines. I was just looking at a Winchester double rifle in .45-70. They only made 35 of the damn things and it looked like a side hammer shotgun. It could be anything.

[Avril Churchill]

I think we should stick with what we know: Josh seems to like Browning. It's either gonna be a lever like the 1886 or some type of single shot like the 1885, some creedmore type Ballard or Remington or something along those lines. I was just looking at a Winchester double rifle in .45-70. They only made 35 of the damn things and it looked like a side hammer shotgun. It could be anything.

He does like browning, but that doesn't mean all unknown guns have to be browning related. I mean, the ruger .22, the SAA.357, the ARs, the American-180, the list goes on- there's plenty of non-browningey guns. So we don't have to assume that will be any of those things- like you said it could be anything.

It could even be some wasteland-designed monstrosity that fires the round for no reason at all. It could be a single shot pipe rifle, even.

And another good question- Sawyer said all the rounds but one have multiple guns assigned to them- is .45-70 the one, and if not, what TWO guns fire it?

[John N]

Why do most of you guys think that all of the new fallout weapons have to be real life weapons? What do you think that Obsidian can't think of any original weapon names? Those weapons were made to satisfy the fans that wanted real life weapons in fallout new vegas. I love the new guns, i just hope that they're original.

[lucile]

Because, barring stuff that we haven't developed yet, there isn't a whole lot they could do that doesn't resemble something that already exits.

[Amy Smith]

AK 47 has killed more people than any other weapon in the world, including bombs. So i am sure there would be some in America, as it was relatively cheap and effective pre war

[Ilona Neumann]

AK 47 has killed more people than any other weapon in the world, including bombs. So i am sure there would be some in America, as it was relatively cheap and effective pre war

Well actually, I don't think the AK47 would be so widespread at that time as the Russian military probably hadn't had all of their old rifles replaced with them by then, so I doubt a good number of them could find their way into America.

EDIT: *megafacepalm* maybe it's because it's 2 in the morning, but the fact that the nukes fell in 2077 and not in the 50s just went over my head there.... Post invalidated. I should be banned for that. :sadvaultboy:

[Jonathan Montero]

AK 47 has killed more people than any other weapon in the world, including bombs. So i am sure there would be some in America, as it was relatively cheap and effective pre war

If there is an AK-47 in New Vegas I hope its a true blue AK-47 like this http://blog.play3-live.com/_public/theone/armes/AK-47.jpg. (I love the original wooden buttstock, the wood really looks great on the AK.) :tops:

[Robert Garcia]

so I notice the new hunting rifle in F:NV is going to have a new caliber, do you think this will diminish it′s usefulness as a weapon it′s easy to find ammo for?


And if so what rifle do you suspect will be the easiest to find ammo for?


Just curious since the reason I always used the Hunting Rifle in Fallout 3 was because it used the .32, a round you almost stumble over around every corner.

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

so I notice the new hunting rifle in F:NV is going to have a new caliber, do you think this will diminish it′s usefulness as a weapon it′s easy to find ammo for?


And if so what rifle do you suspect will be the easiest to find ammo for?


Just curious since the reason I always used the Hunting Rifle in Fallout 3 was because it used the .32, a round you almost stumble over around every corner.

Maybe .308 will be easier to find this time? In Fallout 3 only one type of gun used it, so it was rare. There was also only one "Base" gun that used .44, and also one "unique", so it was also rare.
.44 is used by multiple weapons now, and so I hear it's more common. Sawyer has described the .44 Trail Carbine as "inexpensive to feed".
That doesn't sound like the .44 I know!

.308 is already going to be in the Sniper Rifle and the Hunting Rifle. Possibly in the Garand as well. So expect it to be more common if it's feeding 3 different guns.

I imagine that 12.7mm pistol ammo and .50BMG will replace .44mag and .308 as the rare pistol and rifle calibers in the game.

[Micah Judaeah]

Having the hunting rifle use .308 or whatever doesnt make it less useful as long as the critters that need a .308 to take down are worth the bullets to take them down. I think survival skill will make that more possible then it would have been in fo3 as they can have interesting body parts that take alot of skill to cook or whatever.

[LittleMiss]

Well actually, I don't think the AK47 would be so widespread at that time as the Russian military probably hadn't had all of their old rifles replaced with them by then, so I doubt a good number of them could find their way into America.

Mmmm but much depends on when the Chinese got the AK-47 and started replicating it for the Chinese army. They must have been mass-produced in China for a large number of them to show up on the East-coast after the war. I would argue that in the Fallout timeline, the AK-47 was available to the Chinese much sooner than it was in RL.

[Rachel Tyson]

Maybe .308 will be easier to find this time? In Fallout 3 only one type of gun used it, so it was rare. There was also only one "Base" gun that used .44, and also one "unique", so it was also rare.
.44 is used by multiple weapons now, and so I hear it's more common. Sawyer has described the .44 Trail Carbine as "inexpensive to feed".
That doesn't sound like the .44 I know!

.308 is already going to be in the Sniper Rifle and the Hunting Rifle. Possibly in the Garand as well. So expect it to be more common if it's feeding 3 different guns.

I imagine that 12.7mm pistol ammo and .50BMG will replace .44mag and .308 as the rare pistol and rifle calibers in the game.

sounds like a good observation, good to know I can still trust old hunty the hunting rifle :3

[Grace Francis]

I'am just happy silencer mods have been confirmed, I knew scopes and extended mags and stuff were confirmed, but now I know I can put a scope and a silencer on a good old hunting rifle, joy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r5CACP_RjQ&p=2B3698D798EBC814&index=22&playnext=2

Right there at 2:29, he says it.

[Crystal Birch]

Maybe .308 will be easier to find this time? In Fallout 3 only one type of gun used it, so it was rare. There was also only one "Base" gun that used .44, and also one "unique", so it was also rare.
.44 is used by multiple weapons now, and so I hear it's more common. Sawyer has described the .44 Trail Carbine as "inexpensive to feed".
That doesn't sound like the .44 I know!

Maybe you should fire .44 Special. :disguise:

The Trail Carbine can take down targets in relatively few shots, especially if your aim is decent. The rounds are more expensive per shot, but you are (hopefully) firing less of them.

And yes, you can buy .44 Special if you want to pinch caps. You'll just do less damage (it also reduces your weapon CND less).

[Emilie M]

I'am just happy silencer mods have been confirmed, I knew scopes and extended mags and stuff were confirmed, but now I know I can put a scope and a silencer on a good old hunting rifle, joy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r5CACP_RjQ&p=2B3698D798EBC814&index=22&playnext=2

Right there at 2:29, he says it.

well he says on Pistols, most likely referencing to the .22 pistol that′s been confirmed somewhere else to have a silencer as a mod.

[jesse villaneda]

Maybe you should fire .44 Special. :disguise:

The Trail Carbine can take down targets in relatively few shots, especially if your aim is decent. The rounds are more expensive per shot, but you are (hopefully) firing less of them.

And yes, you can buy .44 Special if you want to pinch caps. You'll just do less damage (it also reduces your weapon CND less).

So .38 Special for the .357s also?

PS You're killin' me with the .45-70, you know? How about one tiny little obscure hint?

[SexyPimpAss]

Yes, .38 Special as well.

Here's a hint for you:

In our unofficial "tiers" of weapons, no weapon of a more powerful caliber is ever a step down from the less powerful caliber. Certainly in the real world there are examples where a given weapon is "too much gun" or has other practical limitations for why it is inappropriate (weight, length, barrel life, bullet ballistic coefficient, etc.), but those don't really apply in F:NV. A .357 Magnum Revolver is quantitatively a "worse" gun than a .44 Magnum Revolver in F:NV; though the .357 Magnum Revolver has a few advantages that the .44 Magnum Revolver does not, for all practical purposes, the .44 is a superior weapon in the context of our game. And while the Varmint Rifle cycles more quickly than the Hunting Rifle, which in turn cycles more quickly than the Anti-Materiel Rifle, when it comes to bolt-action rifles: 5.56mm < .308 < .50 MG... in Fallout: New Vegas. Similarly, 9mm < 10mm < 12.7mm.

[Daramis McGee]

Yes, .38 Special as well.

Here's a hint for you:

In our unofficial "tiers" of weapons, no weapon of a more powerful caliber is ever a step down from the less powerful caliber. Certainly in the real world there are examples where a given weapon is "too much gun" or has other practical limitations for why it is inappropriate (weight, length, barrel life, bullet ballistic coefficient, etc.), but those don't really apply in F:NV. A .357 Magnum Revolver is quantitatively a "worse" gun than a .44 Magnum Revolver in F:NV; though the .357 Magnum Revolver has a few advantages that the .44 Magnum Revolver does not, for all practical purposes, the .44 is a superior weapon in the context of our game. And while the Varmint Rifle cycles more quickly than the Hunting Rifle, which in turn cycles more quickly than the Anti-Materiel Rifle, when it comes to bolt-action rifles: 5.56mm < .308 < .50 MG... in Fallout: New Vegas. Similarly, 9mm < 10mm < 12.7mm.

You mentioned revolvers and bolt actions. In my humble observations of your , you rarely mention anything that is not in context without disclaiming such. Since a logical progression from the .357 Magnum Revolver to the .44 Magnum Revolver would be followed by the .45-70 Revolver, I have to assume this is one weapon, unless, of course, I'm wrong. Also, looking at your progression of bolt actions, the heirarchy breaks down. The .45-70 is not more powerful than the .50mg so either a) it is a bolt action that fits between the Hunting Rifle and the Anti-Materiel Rifle (of which is certainly possible, but I know of very few that actually chambered this round, the Winchester Hotchkiss being the only one that comes to mind readily) or 2) you're being sly and the bolt actions mentioned are a red herring. This leaves us with the other rifles available, the lever-actions, where the .45-70 would clearly be the "Top Gun" (pardon the pun). But your mention of the cyclic rate of fire reducing with the larger the cartridge would lead me to the conclusion that the slowest firing lever-action rifle is the single shot, ie: Winchester Model 1885, Remington Rolling Block, Ruger No.1, Sharps, etc.

The best I can come up with is A BFR and a Rolling/Falling Block. Of course, there was the Winchester 1886 that chambered that round, and for expediency's sake, remodeling another lever-action would seem to me to be easier that a new model.

Thanks for the hint. Please don't be offended if I'm still as lost as before.

PS Point of order: I would like clarification on that each caliber but one will have two weapons chambered for it does not include uniques and applies to base weapon types only?

[Jessica Colville]

Yes, .38 Special as well.

Here's a hint for you:

In our unofficial "tiers" of weapons, no weapon of a more powerful caliber is ever a step down from the less powerful caliber. Certainly in the real world there are examples where a given weapon is "too much gun" or has other practical limitations for why it is inappropriate (weight, length, barrel life, bullet ballistic coefficient, etc.), but those don't really apply in F:NV. A .357 Magnum Revolver is quantitatively a "worse" gun than a .44 Magnum Revolver in F:NV; though the .357 Magnum Revolver has a few advantages that the .44 Magnum Revolver does not, for all practical purposes, the .44 is a superior weapon in the context of our game. And while the Varmint Rifle cycles more quickly than the Hunting Rifle, which in turn cycles more quickly than the Anti-Materiel Rifle, when it comes to bolt-action rifles: 5.56mm < .308 < .50 MG... in Fallout: New Vegas. Similarly, 9mm < 10mm < 12.7mm.

Hmm... interesting.... I think he just wanted to know what shoots the .45-70 though. (we've all been wondering really)

[sunny lovett]

Hmm... interesting.... I think he just wanted to know what shoots the .45-70 though. (we've all been wondering really)

That's what the hint was about. I asked for vague, and Josh delivered. :celebration:

[Enny Labinjo]

That's what the hint was about. I asked for vague, and Josh delivered. :celebration:

Too vague for me, all I got out of it was every gun will have a specific reason to be used as opposed to just having the best DAM... I've already surmised that the .45-70 will be near the top of the food chain though. :shrug:

[Marta Wolko]

That's pretty awesome that you guys took the multi-round functionality of the .44 and .357 into account. Great attention to detail.

And yeah, that hint doesn't really help us with our .45-70 puzzle, but it's informative in other ways.

So I guess the next question is: will there be both .223 and 5.56, as well as .308 and 7.62x51mm, or are those far too similar and raise too many problems (namely, that the civilian weapons might not be able to safely fire 5.56 if they aren't rated for it), to include?

[john page]

And yeah, that hint doesn't really help us with our .45-70 puzzle, but it's informative in other ways.

Actually it does. Josh mentioned revolvers specifially. It was a hint. .357>.44>.45-70. I'm now over 50% certain that a BFR will be in the game. Also, while I first got caught up in the bolt-actions he mentioned, what he was doing was showing how as rifle rounds got "bigger" cyclic rates of fire got slower. That was a hint also, but he wasn't talking about bolt--actions, just using it as an example. I believe he was talking about Lever-actions, a rifle more suited to the spirit of the .45-70 and implied it's either a large frame lever-action or a single shot falling/rolling block, which (technically) were also lever-actions.

[Miss Hayley]

Actually it does. Josh mentioned revolvers specifially. It was a hint. .357>.44>.45-70. I'm now over 50% certain that a BFR will be in the game. Also, while I first got caught up in the bolt-actions he mentioned, what he was doing was showing how as rifle rounds got "bigger" cyclic rates of fire got slower. That was a hint also, but he wasn't talking about bolt--actions, just using it as an example. I believe he was talking about Lever-actions, a rifle more suited to the spirit of the .45-70 and implied it's either a large frame lever-action or a single shot falling/rolling block, which (technically) were also lever-actions.

Still, we had already speculated as much, all that does is hint our speculations may be right.