[Causon-Chambers]

Again, we filled up another thread pretty quick. Last we were talking about was the sniper rifles and what would be effecivie calibers, multi-shot weapons like multi-barrels and metal storm style caseless ammo weapons, and how the blowback recoil operating system with the light bolt on the 9mm SMG works.

As for the question about the caliber of the metal storm 36 shot weapon, I don't recall. I looked about real quick and couldn't find it.

[Ross]

i was watchin the history channel in my modern military class the other day and i learned something.... they actually made a laser gun dude but it takes a whole boeing 747 to house the power generator thing... but yea it can blow up missiles and incinerate planes and objects on the ground up to some miles away... it's a pretty far distance if i remember right

[Devils Cheek]

So would anyone else want the introduction of the .408 Chey Tac? Its a very balanced bullet, between weight, power, rotation and size/shape. Achieving 2,000+ feet of flight time. I would love to see it in future DLC's or games, even though its a rather recent round.

[Mrs. Patton]

The Service Rifle is starting to look like my go to gun, I was hoping it would be something other than fully automatic, and I got my wish :celebration:. That wood looks incredibly good on it too.

So would anyone else want the introduction of the .408 Chey Tac? Its a very balanced bullet, between weight, power, rotation and size/shape. Achieving 2,000+http://www.gamesas.com/index.php? feet of flight time. I would love to see it in future DLC's or games, even though its a rather recent round.

No not really, I think .50MG and .308 fill the long range roles pretty well.

[GEo LIme]

i was watchin the history channel in my modern military class the other day and i learned something.... they actually made a laser gun dude but it takes a whole boeing 747 to house the power generator thing... but yea it can blow up missiles and incinerate planes and objects on the ground up to some miles away... it's a pretty far distance if i remember right

The Navy is also working on a rail gun. It uses about the same energy to fire a shot as it does to light Chicago for a year. Problem as I understand it is that every time they fire the thing it creates so much heat it destroys the gun.

As for applications for the metal storm technology, they seem to be working more on 40mm grenades and shotgun attachments right now. At least that's what the 4 weapons on their products page are.

[Alex Vincent]

i was watchin the history channel in my modern military class the other day and i learned something.... they actually made a laser gun dude but it takes a whole boeing 747 to house the power generator thing... but yea it can blow up missiles and incinerate planes and objects on the ground up to some miles away... it's a pretty far distance if i remember right

I've seen a laser mounted on a plane to blow up incoming missiles or disrupt its means of tracking, but nothing of that sort.

[stevie trent]

The Navy is also working on a rail gun. It uses about the same energy to fire a shot as it does to light Chicago for a year. Problem as I understand it is that every time they fire the thing it creates so much heat it destroys the gun.

As for applications for the metal storm technology, they seem to be working more on 40mm grenades and shotgun attachments right now. At least that's what the 4 weapons on their products page are.

damn dude... i hope i dont live long enough to get mugged by some dude with a laser gun... it would remind me of this game to much and i would probably burst out laughin ..and get shot probably lol

[Darren]

The Navy is also working on a rail gun. It uses about the same energy to fire a shot as it does to light Chicago for a year. Problem as I understand it is that every time they fire the thing it creates so much heat it destroys the gun.

As for applications for the metal storm technology, they seem to be working more on 40mm grenades and shotgun attachments right now. At least that's what the 4 weapons on their products page are.

If you look up videos for the rail gun, that huge plume of fire is the surface of the rails being turned into plasma due to the extreme friction.

[Marnesia Steele]

Thanks 46ACP for answering that question, I couldn't exactly find anything on the internet that explained a Light Bolt for a SMG.

I would think the 10mm SMG will probably have the same exact mods as the compact grease (9mm SMG) exception of the drum mag.

[Kelsey Anna Farley]

I have yet to fire any shoulder fired weapon that can reliably get more than two rounds in full-auto in a man sized target at normal engagement range before the recoil takes you off target. Not saying there aren't any, but I sure haven't seen any.

I dunno, I can rapid fire my Marlin 60 without much noticeable recoil, especially of the muzzle climb variety, and it's scoped. I suppose it depends on the range and the size of your target too, obviously the effects of recoil on your aim, obviously the longer the range the more recoil would effect your POI.

@.46ACP hey man what about a sniper rifle that shoots 5 bullets at the exact same time? The first shot is basically the only shot you need then... could that be done? cause that would be the most absolute sickest looking gun ever made or would the recoil from it basically tear your shoulder off of your body?

I'm much more of a WWI WWII rifle guy, but my understanding of current weapons is that some have a selector that enables a super fast cyclic rate of fire for the first 2 rounds, then slows down after that. What you basically get is two bullets leaving the barrel so close together that recoil forces don't have a chance to move your point of aim.

Also, I believe I recall some of the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE with cyclic rates so fast the they accomplish the same as above, but by firing off a number of stacked rounds at the same time.

-Gunny out.

The AN-94 has such a system (2 round burst, 1 round recoil), if I recall. And yeah, I was thinking metal storm too, stacking the bullets in the barrel and firing them using EMP.

Oh, well in my mind, I categorize sniper rifles as using some of the higher calibers 7.62, .338 etc. and lower calibers like 5.56 as Marksman or Assault Rifles, but thats just my mind. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing the .408 in-game, but I guess it's too late for that.

That's generally true of western weapons, but remember what gunny said, a sniper rifle refers to an application rather than a particular design, although certain rifles are especially designed for that application. So when you think of a sniper rifle you're more accurately thinking of a "sniper's rifle", a rifle that a sniper might typically use. And really, a marksman is also a sniper in a way, because when you think about it, a marksman is sniping when he shoots his rifle, by definition.

But that's the problem- the whole thing becomes a mess of technicalities and semantics when you start to really deconstruct it. What defines a sniper rifle even depends on the doctrine of the forces using it. I've discussed this many times before in arguments over whether the SVD (Dragunov) is a sniper rifle or a designated marksman rifle. One argument is that a marksman rifle is not accurate enough to be considered a true sniper rifle- the Dragunov, it is argued, is too inaccurate and too limited in range to be a true sniper rifle- the same argument is used when classifying intermediate caliber rifles as marksman rifles, however, the round the Dragunov fires, 7.62x54r, is by all means a full sized round.

And here's where the doctrine issue comes in. SVD stands for Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova, meaning "Dragunov's sniper rifle". So it's a sniper rifle then, right? Case closed, right? Well, not really. You see, Soviet doctrine at the time the weapon was designed didn't really account for the classic idea of the Sniper, a concealed, low profile shooter, usually with a spotter, who hides in shadows and takes out HVTs at his discretion or on direct command, despite the fact that such Snipers were used to great effect during the Great Patriotic War. The idea of a sniper in this doctrine more resembles our idea of a Designated Marksman, basically a guy with a scoped rifle that can be attatched to a squad and give them a range edge, allowing them to engage at 600m instead of 300m as their AKs and RPKs would allow.

And that's not really different from an American DMR with an M14 among a squad equipped with M16s, M4s, and M249 is it. So is the Dragunov a DMR, or a sniper rifle? Well, it depends on who you ask.

And that's why I'm against being too picky on how you define sniping, and why I think the concept of a full-auto sniper is not impossible- because basically, if you're a military big wig, and you draw up a doctrine that includes a full auto sniper weapon, then it exists, period- and in fiction this is easy as the stroke of a key.

[^~LIL B0NE5~^]

I tried to push the idea of a harpoon gun in Fallout New Vegas but now my dreams are crushed as there will not be one :cryvaultboy:

[Alan Cutler]

I tried to push the idea of a harpoon gun in Fallout New Vegas but now my dreams are crushed as there will not be one :cryvaultboy:

lol your dreams are crushed huh... i tried to get a exploding dolphin that has a death ray attached to their forehead mirv 2.0 dolphin edition gun into the game... guess what happened with that.

[Miragel Ginza]

A BB gun, Red Rider, that shoots teeny nuclear fusion grenades.

Pew, Pew.
Blow [censored] up real good.

[Lyndsey Bird]

That's generally true of western weapons, but remember what gunny said, a sniper rifle refers to an application rather than a particular design, although certain rifles are especially designed for that application. So when you think of a sniper rifle you're more accurately thinking of a "sniper's rifle", a rifle that a sniper might typically use. And really, a marksman is also a sniper in a way, because when you think about it, a marksman is sniping when he shoots his rifle, by definition.

But that's the problem- the whole thing becomes a mess of technicalities and semantics when you start to really deconstruct it. What defines a sniper rifle even depends on the doctrine of the forces using it. I've discussed this many times before in arguments over whether the SVD (Dragunov) is a sniper rifle or a designated marksman rifle. One argument is that a marksman rifle is not accurate enough to be considered a true sniper rifle- the Dragunov, it is argued, is too inaccurate and too limited in range to be a true sniper rifle- the same argument is used when classifying intermediate caliber rifles as marksman rifles, however, the round the Dragunov fires, 7.62x54r, is by all means a full sized round.

And here's where the doctrine issue comes in. SVD stands for Snayperskaya Vintovka Dragunova, meaning "Dragunov's sniper rifle". So it's a sniper rifle then, right? Case closed, right? Well, not really. You see, Soviet doctrine at the time the weapon was designed didn't really account for the classic idea of the Sniper, a concealed, low profile shooter, usually with a spotter, who hides in shadows and takes out HVTs at his discretion or on direct command, despite the fact that such Snipers were used to great effect during the Great Patriotic War. The idea of a sniper in this doctrine more resembles our idea of a Designated Marksman, basically a guy with a scoped rifle that can be attatched to a squad and give them a range edge, allowing them to engage at 600m instead of 300m as their AKs and RPKs would allow.

And that's not really different from an American DMR with an M14 among a squad equipped with M16s, M4s, and M249 is it. So is the Dragunov a DMR, or a sniper rifle? Well, it depends on who you ask.

And that's why I'm against being too picky on how you define sniping, and why I think the concept of a full-auto sniper is not impossible- because basically, if you're a military big wig, and you draw up a doctrine that includes a full auto sniper weapon, then it exists, period- and in fiction this is easy as the stroke of a key.

Which is why a simplify it into the categories that I do.

[Flutterby]

I tried to push the idea of a harpoon gun in Fallout New Vegas but now my dreams are crushed as there will not be one :cryvaultboy:

Someone will mod in a gun that shoots Throwing Spears sooner or later, good idea for future DLC though.

[Nathan Hunter]

Which is why a simplify it into the categories that I do.

So an SVD is a sniper rifle to you? Are you Russian? That would explain it then.

[Sanctum]

So an SVD is a sniper rifle to you? Are you Russian? That would explain it then.

Never really looked in to the SVD. I'm German, Italian, and Irish.

[xx_Jess_xx]

The bullet casing that comes out of the M1 garand rifle looks too big compared to the gun

[Racheal Robertson]

Loose Cannon

From Frag Grenades to Throwing Spears, you can throw weapons 30% faster at the cost of 25% less range.

This means %30 faster that it is going to fly through the air right?

[Samantha Mitchell]

Loose Cannon

From Frag Grenades to Throwing Spears, you can throw weapons 30% faster at the cost of 25% less range.

This means %30 faster that it is going to fly through the air right?

I believe so, a faster throwing animation would look awkward.

[Georgia Fullalove]

yo man...anyone know if the rock-it-launcher is back in nv?

[Mimi BC]

yo man...anyone know if the rock-it-launcher is back in nv?

It has not been confirmed. Most likely not.

[Tania Bunic]

man... death by random junk was one of the greatest ideas ive seen implemented into a game like fallout.. oh well

[Josh Lozier]

The bullet casing that comes out of the M1 garand rifle looks too big compared to the gun

How big is it? Because the .http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg/250px-Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg... not as big as a .50, but it's a decent size.

[Carlos Vazquez]

It came to my attention that the .223 pistol is a sawed-off rifle
...
you guys owe me an apology.
On somewhat topic, can we see any furthur classification of .50 Cal into such as HE rounds? oh i hope so.